"Useless" Hit Chance spells

[Tamui]

Hey guys,
Some of who know me, I'm a "fan" of useless spells. But I'm hard-headed and try'em out.
This is going to be about Hit Chance.
Hit Chance is useful! Everyone agrees. But many deny -Hit Chance is useful as a debuff.
Now, I'm specificating on Archers. Other classes, feel free to post yours if you wish.
So archers have:

1. Finesse
2. Hinder
3. Grounding Arrow
4. Finger Crush (Marksman spell)

They're all useless right? Ok, maybe you consider Hinder as a viable spell. I agree so. But really, many skill Hinder for the -Movement.
Ok, now there are two buffs which can be devastating with the following debuffs and buffs:

1. Evasive Tactics
2. Rapid Shot

Now I didn't test Grounding Arrow, as it's Dexterity doesn't decrease a lot of Hit Chance and considered as % maluses far more powerful.

I've uploaded them under here, so first attachments:
Evasive Tactics(5) + Rapid Shot + Finger Crush(5) + Finesse(5) [This one was mostly for teh lulz, but if anyone want to be a bitch for 30s, feel free ]
Second Attachment: Finesse(3) + Evasive Tactics(5) + Rapid Shot
Third Attachment: Finesse(4) + Evasive Tactics(5) + Rapid Shot + Finger Crush(1)
Fourth Attachment: Finesse(4) + Evasive Tactics(5) + Rapid Shot
Fifth Attachment: Hinder(3) + Evasive Tactics(5) + Finesse(4)

[Tamui]

Sixth Attachment.( Maximum uploaded files: 5 :s)
Hinder(3) + Finger Crush(5) + Rapid Shot(5) + Evasive Tactics(5) + Finesse(4)

Thank you Fireborn for helping me out.
(I didn't know in which section to post. I figured as it held many attachments, I posted it here. If it is in the wrong section, then please a Moderator would kindly move it to the appropriate section, please do so. Thank you.)

[Rising_Cold]

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seriously underated spells

/me demands more pp's to take underated spells :3
(hate redoing setups >.<)

[Checkit]

Its not that these spells are useless, it's that they require a combination of spells to be useful, they take too long too cast, aren't worth it in RvR, or that other spells are more useful.

[AlsianLamai]

Speaking from a hunters perspective, I skill Hinder for --

1. Movement
2. Group / CC effect
3. Hit chance

In that order.

Im less likely to skill Finesse because of the effect that I think it will have. What I would be interested in seeing is the skills that increase Miss Chance to be compared to the ones that decrease hit chance. Blindness is one such skill. I believe the Knight skill Rigourous preparation does the same.

If decreasing hit chance was more effective over increasing miss chance, then I would be able to weight the skill use better.

Admittedly Spell duration and spell cast time does have an effect on what I do.

[Tamui]

Originally Posted by Checkit

Its not that these spells are useless, it's that they require a combination of spells to be useful, they take too long too cast, aren't worth it in RvR, or that other spells are more useful.

Two combinations are likely enough. Most hunters tend to cast Distracting Shot, buff Evasive, Ambush, CB + Rapid. Or after ambush, buff Evasive. in that moment, if one casts Hinder is probably enough to give you an edge. Well Hinder is the best one here. Finesse, does cost a lot of mana, but hey! it's worth a try. Same as Finger Crush.

[Checkit]

Originally Posted by Tamui

Two combinations are likely enough. Most hunters tend to cast Distracting Shot, buff Evasive, Ambush, CB + Rapid. Or after ambush, buff Evasive. in that moment, if one casts Hinder is probably enough to give you an edge. Well Hinder is the best one here. Finesse, does cost a lot of mana, but hey! it's worth a try. Same as Finger Crush.

You forgot confuse, which stops you from a lot of that

[AlsianLamai]

Originally Posted by Checkit

You forgot confuse, which stops you from a lot of that

Thats why most archers, hunters and marks alike, immediately cast SoTW in an attempt to offset the dealing with Confuse.

Mobility + WildSpirit (if your a hunter) can also give you an edge to get under some cover, a tree, rock whatever.

[Checkit]

Originally Posted by AlsianLamai

Thats why most archers, hunters and marks alike, immediately cast SoTW in an attempt to offset the dealing with Confuse.

Mobility + WildSpirit (if your a hunter) can also give you an edge to get under some cover, a tree, rock whatever.

Which means that, 9/10, their opponent is also going to cast sotw right after they see them do it, so...the spells aren't helpful as most marks use lvl 3-4 sotw, while most hunters use 4-5 sotw, so hunters' sotw is more than likely going to outlast the marks, and they will get ambushed, dist shotted, or confused and the spells will be not be helpful

[AlsianLamai]

I suppose, Checkit, thats one reason why I wished Spell Elude would actually elude a little more than it does.

Although level 4 Low profile would give you about 8 seconds of resistance at the cost of being able to attack back.