Upcoming nerfs

Wi3ld · 02-08-2014, 08:04 PM

OK, so barb is getting boring and I'd finally like to try something new. I'm hearing horror stories of upcoming nerfs on several classes, but I won't go into them because I have not seen them confirmed by GMs or any staff at all.
Can any NGD member PLEASE officially let us know what is getting nerfed and how. I don't want to start a new toon if it's going to get nerfed in a matter that I don't agree with. So please, can you let us know what your plans are, if any?

Hollow-Ichigo · 02-08-2014, 08:17 PM

We wont know the changes until NGD release an official changelog. I think its usually done after the update but its been so long since we've had one that i cant say for sure.

Lebeau · 02-08-2014, 11:37 PM

Barb boring? Hmmm ... well, tbph, not considering various extraneous matters like how/when mega-boss jewelry adds it's damage, etc., the barb as a class may need some 'nerf' moreso than any other atm.

I'd nerf the attr. damage-add for barbs by .5 per point so it'd be in-line with all the other classes (hunter would improve by .5 per point). Further, I'd nerf both berserk & fulminating to be 5%/lvl which is 25% at lvl 5. Fulm would maybe get a new 6 sec. duration. I'd also compensate the damage lost by boosting kick duration to 4, 5, 6, 7, & 8 sec. duration depending on lvl skilled, by improving UM from 90% to 100% effect at lvl 5 & by lengthening the durations of UM & spring to 12 sec. each.

If we aren't soon getting a %-based & proportional armor/soak system (unlikely, ikr), it also stands to reason that knight's personal defensive skill & aura %'s need adjustment downward to bring things somewhat back to the pre-WM balance-scheme ... due to these & higher base armors, single & double digit norms by certain classes since WM were, are & remain really ridiculous. Also, protect ally should be instant ct & alot of knight skills need de-bugging.

As well, marks' rech. arrows could stand to be re-visited: reduce mana & hp costs a bit, but reduce damage added to 5% per lvl skilled (25% at lvl 5). Same bonuses per lvl for deadeye too, but maybe a touch longer duration. The range of bows might also be considered for a nerf by reducing each's by 5.

To balance spellcasters, boost damage on all direct damage & DoT spells by around 15-20% (for all classes' direct damage & DoT type spells, but NOT %-based damage-add spells).

Mindsquasher ... (barbs everywhere tense in anticipation) ... needs absolutely nothing ... leave it alone.

-(Actually, it could perhaps be reworked to function against each effect separately, not be all or nothing, but if it was reworked thus, it's %'s should improve to 40, 50, 60, 70 & 80% at lvls 1-5).

There's alot more than this, but start with "Slarti's list", then peruse the many threads on balance, then take my 2-cents-worth here (& elsewhere) as a routine player of all 6 CoR classes, then just do it....

Hope NGD doesn't burn you (or anyone else) too harshly on this update you fear, Wi3ld (I've heard nothing .... does it even exist? .... even in a preliminary planning stage?....).

Wi3ld · 02-09-2014, 01:35 AM

Barbs don't need nerfing. I'd hit so low if that were the case.. even looking at an archer with evasive tactics and acrobat (or whatever it's called); if they have decent slash resist I'm lucky to hit for 400-500 normals buffed. I've seen knights deal more damage! Not everyone has wm and jewellery.

AnujAJ · 02-09-2014, 06:46 AM

Plz dont nerf hunters

pieceofmeat · 02-09-2014, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Wi3ld

Barbs don't need nerfing. I'd hit so low if that were the case.. even looking at an archer with evasive tactics and acrobat (or whatever it's called); if they have decent slash resist I'm lucky to hit for 400-500 normals buffed. I've seen knights deal more damage! Not everyone has wm and jewellery.

Dont be silly, barbs got more str contribution, more base damage with 2-h or a off-hand weapond, tfb and 40% more damage bonus than any knarb.

So please do enlighten us how they do more damage than a "normal" buffed barb.

Wi3ld · 02-09-2014, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by pieceofmeat

So please do enlighten us how they do more damage than a "normal" buffed barb.

Have you not seen the screenshots of azn one hitting an alsius conj for > 4k. Even Darth Vader hits harder normals than me. Knarbs can be quite powerful. Not saying we can't be nerfed in other areas (fulmi, def roar, howl), but take away my base damage and I'll hit like an OP marks :P

Lebeau · 02-09-2014, 10:44 PM

I tend to agree with Wi3ld on this call. Archers do seem to have a bit too much defense from their higher-than-other classes' armor-boosting-&-damage-negation-%-spells (acrobatic & evasive tactics). Given the INcomplete list of changes I've recommended so far, these 2 spells imho should be added to the ongoing list of things to modify/balance/nerf....

MxCx · 02-09-2014, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Wi3ld

Have you not seen the screenshots of azn one hitting an alsius conj for > 4k. Even Darth Vader hits harder normals than me. Knarbs can be quite powerful. Not saying we can't be nerfed in other areas (fulmi, def roar, howl), but take away my base damage and I'll hit like an OP marks :P

I'm going to guess that in that instance, the results were completely gear, level, and/or buff dependent. I've been hit by azn, and it is high for a knight, but not too awful with end game armor and proper resists.

I'm more concerned about marksman with boss gear as a conj; being targeted at a fort by archers that are geared can still kill me quickly if I can't make it to cover fast enough.

Dumberest · 02-10-2014, 10:10 AM

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I'm more concerned about marksman with boss gear as a conj; being targeted at a fort by archers that are geared can still kill me quickly if I can't make it to cover fast enough.

nerf boss jewellery or even better remove them totally.

NGD i understand your wanting to provide players who do not pay for gear the chance to compete.on haven the problem is that 100% of boss jewellery players also have xim gear.with so much lvl 60 boxed gear about these days free players are able to equip themselves very well.

02-08-2014, 08:04 PM	#1
Wi3ld Master Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Under your bed Posts: 251	Upcoming nerfs OK, so barb is getting boring and I'd finally like to try something new. I'm hearing horror stories of upcoming nerfs on several classes, but I won't go into them because I have not seen them confirmed by GMs or any staff at all. Can any NGD member PLEASE officially let us know what is getting nerfed and how. I don't want to start a new toon if it's going to get nerfed in a matter that I don't agree with. So please, can you let us know what your plans are, if any? __________________ Memoize [Knight]

02-08-2014, 08:17 PM	#2
Hollow-Ichigo Count Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: United Kingdom, England Posts: 1,038	We wont know the changes until NGD release an official changelog. I think its usually done after the update but its been so long since we've had one that i cant say for sure. __________________

02-09-2014, 01:35 AM	#4
Wi3ld Master Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Under your bed Posts: 251	Barbs don't need nerfing. I'd hit so low if that were the case.. even looking at an archer with evasive tactics and acrobat (or whatever it's called); if they have decent slash resist I'm lucky to hit for 400-500 normals buffed. I've seen knights deal more damage! Not everyone has wm and jewellery. __________________ Memoize [Knight]

02-09-2014, 06:46 AM	#5
AnujAJ Apprentice Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: India Posts: 78	Plz dont nerf hunters __________________ Hunter AJ Fighters of Syrtis :]

02-08-2014, 11:37 PM	#3
Lebeau Banned Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: 'B-F-Egypt', Virginia, U.S.A. (please pity & forgive us poor american fools!). Posts: 605	Barb boring? Hmmm ... well, tbph, not considering various extraneous matters like how/when mega-boss jewelry adds it's damage, etc., the barb as a class may need some 'nerf' moreso than any other atm. I'd nerf the attr. damage-add for barbs by .5 per point so it'd be in-line with all the other classes (hunter would improve by .5 per point). Further, I'd nerf both berserk & fulminating to be 5%/lvl which is 25% at lvl 5. Fulm would maybe get a new 6 sec. duration. I'd also compensate the damage lost by boosting kick duration to 4, 5, 6, 7, & 8 sec. duration depending on lvl skilled, by improving UM from 90% to 100% effect at lvl 5 & by lengthening the durations of UM & spring to 12 sec. each. If we aren't soon getting a %-based & proportional armor/soak system (unlikely, ikr), it also stands to reason that knight's personal defensive skill & aura %'s need adjustment downward to bring things somewhat back to the pre-WM balance-scheme ... due to these & higher base armors, single & double digit norms by certain classes since WM were, are & remain really ridiculous. Also, protect ally should be instant ct & alot of knight skills need de-bugging. As well, marks' rech. arrows could stand to be re-visited: reduce mana & hp costs a bit, but reduce damage added to 5% per lvl skilled (25% at lvl 5). Same bonuses per lvl for deadeye too, but maybe a touch longer duration. The range of bows might also be considered for a nerf by reducing each's by 5. To balance spellcasters, boost damage on all direct damage & DoT spells by around 15-20% (for all classes' direct damage & DoT type spells, but NOT %-based damage-add spells). Mindsquasher ... (barbs everywhere tense in anticipation) ... needs absolutely nothing ... leave it alone. -(Actually, it could perhaps be reworked to function against each effect separately, not be all or nothing, but if it was reworked thus, it's %'s should improve to 40, 50, 60, 70 & 80% at lvls 1-5). There's alot more than this, but start with "Slarti's list", then peruse the many threads on balance, then take my 2-cents-worth here (& elsewhere) as a routine player of all 6 CoR classes, then just do it.... Hope NGD doesn't burn you (or anyone else) too harshly on this update you fear, Wi3ld (I've heard nothing .... does it even exist? .... even in a preliminary planning stage?....).

02-09-2014, 10:44 PM	#8
Lebeau Banned Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: 'B-F-Egypt', Virginia, U.S.A. (please pity & forgive us poor american fools!). Posts: 605	I tend to agree with Wi3ld on this call. Archers do seem to have a bit too much defense from their higher-than-other classes' armor-boosting-&-damage-negation-%-spells (acrobatic & evasive tactics). Given the INcomplete list of changes I've recommended so far, these 2 spells imho should be added to the ongoing list of things to modify/balance/nerf....