New TDM

Pery3000 · 05-17-2016, 09:14 PM

Whats your opinion of the new map/changes in TDM?

I played 3 matches. I don't know why its only 4 people per team in RA. I'd rather have the old map than this map. Teams seemed unbalanced. 2nd match we had 4 barbs. Easy win for us. Not sure why that team comp is even possible. We just kept killing those mini bosses. I heard other times there were 3 conjs 1 barb. Also 2 conjs and a knight. (Haven) I don't enjoy it like I did when the First TDM's came. This is just my opinion.

Ulmar · 05-17-2016, 10:35 PM

My thoughts after playing 4-5 matches on Haven:

3v3 is too few IMO, everything pretty much depends on your class composition rather than on your ability to play as a team. Class composition was an important factor in old TDM too, but you could somewhat compensate having a mediocre composition if you played well as a team. With 3v3 that's not really possible to do, from what I've experienced (1 conj 1 lock, 1 support knight team ftw). And in 3v3 every player has just too much importance, if one dies the fight is pretty much lost and you can only try to get back to your base. In 6v6 or 8v8 you could still hope to win even if you lost one or two players, and that made the fights much more interesting to me.

I'm ok with the fact bases shouldn't be accessed by other realm players, but the zone that kills you when you're in it seems too large to me. Ranged players can get back there way too easily, and it doesn't really push you to take any risks. I've been in a match where only 2 kills were made during the entire time, as everyone was just camping near to its base. Besides, you get 5% necro if you die in an ennemy base, which seems unecessary to me. Necro is still painfull to grind off for support classes...

Bosses buffs seem ok to me. Haven't seen them getting exploited a lot yet, but I guess that's because it's launch day and people haven't figured out exactly the best strategy yet.

TDM still kills warzone activity. I guess you made it 3v3 so that not too many players would take part in it at once, but since you can apparently have more than one match going on at the same time, it just doesn't work. Everyone is in queue waiting for a match to happen. However, it's still launch day after all so maybe it'll get better after that. I've also seen taking part in a TDM match is supposed to cost "tickets" (it doesn't atm, though), which I guess will be obtainable by taking part in RvR, so maybe that's a way to fix that problem too.

Overall I feel like battlezones do have potential but the 3v3 format is just too restrictive as it is to make them truly enjoyable in my opinion. I really hope it will be changed in the future.

hellscraem · 05-17-2016, 10:53 PM

personally I think its dumb

Hayir · 05-17-2016, 11:52 PM

I think this map is a lot better than the old one. This is way more open and doesn't favour barbs as much as the other. Barbs are nonetheless the most impactful class in battlezones, what a surprise.

So far I had about 6 mages and the matches were usually fun. Some teams play very passive though which can make it a bit boring, not sure what you could do about that.

I personally like 4v4v4 more than the larger version.

The fact that it kinda kills war will change probably? Those tickets which don't exist yet will do it I guess.

Adrian · 05-18-2016, 02:22 AM

We will make a revision of the items. We made a huge mistake in not consulting with the community about them.

Also, Battlezones may be deactivated now that we have enough feedback about their weak points and bugs that only appeared when used massively.

Anunnaki · 05-18-2016, 02:44 AM

well +10 ms for barb...that really W
+10ms for hunter...that really W.
i was really surpriced no +10%range for marks

+5ms for hunter is already an issue with dragon set...

Other than items, i like the new map and also the random 3 players, it is fun and build some new situations.

Hollow-Ichigo · 05-18-2016, 02:51 AM

On haven its a choice between war or TDM, people are just gonna wait at cs for a match instead of running around capturing forts etc. On Ra it would work but haven is definitely the server that comes out worse.

The champion items for hunter and barb are too strong, there is no use in giving them more movement speed.

Pery3000 · 05-18-2016, 03:19 AM

Barbs will always carry these TDMS now. I enjoyed the old map as a archer. I would always pick off opponents near death and steal the kill from barbs. I liked having all range on my team. Just hate that Groups now get 2 conjs and a lock vs all barbs teams now.

Also its not really much open space to me. Map seems smaller imo.

Uncle-Che · 05-18-2016, 03:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adrian

We will make a revision of the items. We made a huge mistake in not consulting with the community about them.

Also, Battlezones may be deactivated now that we have enough feedback about their weak points and bugs that only appeared when used massively.

Really? Barbarian's has to be getting better? I know NGD always preffer Barbs and Marks but when you can think in rest of classes? You see how dominant is the barb actually?

esp_tupac · 05-18-2016, 04:34 AM

i played 3 matches so far in battlezone. 2 out of 3 i crashed out of it during combat. the one that i didn't get booted out is heavily imbalanced with 2 barb and 1 marks on one side dominating while the side with a lock and no fucking barb get ass kicked... make the damn team 6 players one from each class. not fucking mixed with some team getting 2 conju and 1 lock and the other get 2 barbs and a knight wtf...this is retarded. out of the 3 matches, i see people quit/crash mid game and having 2vs3vs1?

WTF NGD?! fix this fucking bs!

05-17-2016, 09:14 PM	#1
Pery3000 Master Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Georgia Posts: 386	New TDM Whats your opinion of the new map/changes in TDM? I played 3 matches. I don't know why its only 4 people per team in RA. I'd rather have the old map than this map. Teams seemed unbalanced. 2nd match we had 4 barbs. Easy win for us. Not sure why that team comp is even possible. We just kept killing those mini bosses. I heard other times there were 3 conjs 1 barb. Also 2 conjs and a knight. (Haven) I don't enjoy it like I did when the First TDM's came. This is just my opinion. __________________ Haven ~ Daggers/Miles Long Retired Ra ~ Cloaks/Elongated

05-17-2016, 10:35 PM	#2
Ulmar Pledge Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: France Posts: 43	My thoughts after playing 4-5 matches on Haven: 3v3 is too few IMO, everything pretty much depends on your class composition rather than on your ability to play as a team. Class composition was an important factor in old TDM too, but you could somewhat compensate having a mediocre composition if you played well as a team. With 3v3 that's not really possible to do, from what I've experienced (1 conj 1 lock, 1 support knight team ftw). And in 3v3 every player has just too much importance, if one dies the fight is pretty much lost and you can only try to get back to your base. In 6v6 or 8v8 you could still hope to win even if you lost one or two players, and that made the fights much more interesting to me. I'm ok with the fact bases shouldn't be accessed by other realm players, but the zone that kills you when you're in it seems too large to me. Ranged players can get back there way too easily, and it doesn't really push you to take any risks. I've been in a match where only 2 kills were made during the entire time, as everyone was just camping near to its base. Besides, you get 5% necro if you die in an ennemy base, which seems unecessary to me. Necro is still painfull to grind off for support classes... Bosses buffs seem ok to me. Haven't seen them getting exploited a lot yet, but I guess that's because it's launch day and people haven't figured out exactly the best strategy yet. TDM still kills warzone activity. I guess you made it 3v3 so that not too many players would take part in it at once, but since you can apparently have more than one match going on at the same time, it just doesn't work. Everyone is in queue waiting for a match to happen. However, it's still launch day after all so maybe it'll get better after that. I've also seen taking part in a TDM match is supposed to cost "tickets" (it doesn't atm, though), which I guess will be obtainable by taking part in RvR, so maybe that's a way to fix that problem too. Overall I feel like battlezones do have potential but the 3v3 format is just too restrictive as it is to make them truly enjoyable in my opinion. I really hope it will be changed in the future. __________________ Hippocrate II - Ulmar - Olmar (Haven) Deshinamar (Ra) The old saying says "Conjurers first !" - Pizdzius' Comic. Last edited by Ulmar; 05-17-2016 at 10:50 PM.

05-17-2016, 10:53 PM	#3
hellscraem Initiate Join Date: Aug 2015 Posts: 120	personally I think its dumb __________________ ignis - Chaos - Horus ignis - chaos hellscream , Grom hellscraem , Hellscraem - Ra

05-18-2016, 02:22 AM	#5
Adrian NGD·Studios Join Date: May 2007 Location: Wien, Österreich Posts: 2,859	We will make a revision of the items. We made a huge mistake in not consulting with the community about them. Also, Battlezones may be deactivated now that we have enough feedback about their weak points and bugs that only appeared when used massively. __________________

05-18-2016, 02:51 AM	#7
Hollow-Ichigo Count Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: United Kingdom, England Posts: 1,038	On haven its a choice between war or TDM, people are just gonna wait at cs for a match instead of running around capturing forts etc. On Ra it would work but haven is definitely the server that comes out worse. The champion items for hunter and barb are too strong, there is no use in giving them more movement speed. __________________

05-17-2016, 11:52 PM	#4
Hayir Master Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 375	I think this map is a lot better than the old one. This is way more open and doesn't favour barbs as much as the other. Barbs are nonetheless the most impactful class in battlezones, what a surprise. So far I had about 6 mages and the matches were usually fun. Some teams play very passive though which can make it a bit boring, not sure what you could do about that. I personally like 4v4v4 more than the larger version. The fact that it kinda kills war will change probably? Those tickets which don't exist yet will do it I guess.

05-18-2016, 02:44 AM	#6
Anunnaki Banned Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Inside a house... Posts: 280	well +10 ms for barb...that really W +10ms for hunter...that really W. i was really surpriced no +10%range for marks +5ms for hunter is already an issue with dragon set... Other than items, i like the new map and also the random 3 players, it is fun and build some new situations.

05-18-2016, 03:19 AM	#8
Pery3000 Master Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Georgia Posts: 386	Barbs will always carry these TDMS now. I enjoyed the old map as a archer. I would always pick off opponents near death and steal the kill from barbs. I liked having all range on my team. Just hate that Groups now get 2 conjs and a lock vs all barbs teams now. Also its not really much open space to me. Map seems smaller imo. __________________ Haven ~ Daggers/Miles Long Retired Ra ~ Cloaks/Elongated

05-18-2016, 04:34 AM	#10
esp_tupac Initiate Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: country that invents hockey Posts: 223	i played 3 matches so far in battlezone. 2 out of 3 i crashed out of it during combat. the one that i didn't get booted out is heavily imbalanced with 2 barb and 1 marks on one side dominating while the side with a lock and no fucking barb get ass kicked... make the damn team 6 players one from each class. not fucking mixed with some team getting 2 conju and 1 lock and the other get 2 barbs and a knight wtf...this is retarded. out of the 3 matches, i see people quit/crash mid game and having 2vs3vs1? WTF NGD?! fix this fucking bs! __________________ H G - Warlock - Alsius - Haven Youtube: www.youtube.com/ROHepha2011