Why does everyone hates hunters?

[fluffy_muffin]

Originally Posted by BlooD

Well now amun is on.

Anyone wants to do some test?

I need an archer, a knigth and a conjurer from the same realm and some offensive classes from other realms.

Just say when you can do it.

I have time. I will be on Amun for 30 min.

[ljrossi]

I like hunters !

Is very easy to kill them , just frozen or what ever so that the hunter cant move or take defensives skills.

Usually afterwards the hunter will die easy, it has not much life .

Im not shame of running, I hate to leave my partners alone, and only do it when they double us on players enemies. Thats the worste part to be a hunter.

And of course level from 40 to 50 can kill hunters , if they stay on range, thats why we run and try to take advantege of our speeds.



Julius

[CumeriTarenes]

why compare marks and hunter?

Anybody tried to setup a hunter with maxed pets, maxed bow and maxed evasion?
It can be as deadly as a marks with maxed bow, maxed arrow mastery and maxed evasion.

To the evasion thing of archers: Archers has the highest evade chance of all classes. That is a fact and is how it is intended to be.
And to the evasion tree, that share hunters and marks: the evasion tree is not the only defense of hunters, they are fast, they can go invisible (even if camu is changed to be a offensive tactic now) and they can track enemies. That is quite a lot more defense than marks have (don't come and tell that marks have stratecic position, I know that)

When you look to other classes you'll see that the subclasses share a lot of defensive spells too. There is energy barrier or caution, just to name some.

In my humble opinion there are no realy overpowered classes. Sure, there are some minor things that need to be work on but you won't change anything by just posting a new thread about someone beeing overwowered every day.
And talking about hunters...well, a good indicator for success are RP, and hunters are not very well rewarded with it...means they don't kill so much than other classes. On the other hand they are not so much killed due to their defence. That is the point that annoys people...not getting RP for hunters, because they run away. Actually there are several ways to prevent a hunter from running. Even if they can escape, be satisfied. Don't leech only for RP.


Also I don't like the term deffensive class. I prefer to call it supportive class.
A hunter supports his realm mates with tracking tasks, stalker, chasing enemies that run away and others. Every "defensive" class is made to support the offensive classes. Of course there are other ways of playing a class, but that is how it is indended to be in my opinion.

You are a realm, not a single person. When you think about that it doesn't matter so much, that one class has maybe a bit more power than another...every realm has that "overpowered" class. When you whine about an other class you show how egositic you are. You show, that you didn't get that regnum is a teamplay in the first line and not a single player game.

I don't hate only hunters...I hate all classes that can kill me...and everyone that just killed me...yeah, I do. But I don't go to forum and whine about it, I try to improve my gameplay and I try to understand how others classes play.

[BlooD]

If anyone wants to test things we can do it this nigth.


And please, i dont care about the setup you use, i just want to prove something.

With evasion 19 and acrobatic, elude, evasion passive, dodge and evasive you cant be killed in less than 30 seconds.

You can kill me only with normal attacks in that time.

I dont care how much people you think uses this setup, i dont care if you think its useful or not.

Just want to show this, we tested it and its overpowered.

[phoenix_jackson]

Cumeri......... Aweome staement dude!

[CumeriTarenes]

Originally Posted by BlooD

If anyone wants to test things we can do it this nigth.

With evasion 19 and acrobatic, elude, evasion passive, dodge and evasive you cant be killed in less than 30 seconds.

You can kill me only with normal attacks in that time.

did you proofe that to? normal attack to a lvl 50 mage...I do about 230 dmg with medium range 30 bow to them. That means all 3,5 sec 230 dmg, that are 8 shoots in 30 sec, 1840 dmg at all. Minus 1000 to 750 dmg taken fon energy barrier minus average 2 evaded hits and plus average 1 critical hit (320 dmg) = 720 damage (at energy barrier lvl 4)....one soulkeeper and you are full hp again

Mages has no lower defenses than archers. They have the same amount of hp
(maybe 100 or 200hp less, depends on race) and more mana since their base damge is lower. But with energy barrier they have 1k hp more, with soulkeeper they have an option to have 1k hp more, in an 1v1 soulkeeper counts for 2k hp

only class with low defence is barb, but they can reach the enemy quite fast and they deal big damage.

You can't kill any class in less than 30 sec when your enemy has full defense.
ok, a barb can...but in normal fight you just would freeze/knock/stun/dizzy a barb, which is a kind of defense too. Same with running around.

[fluffy_muffin]

Originally Posted by BlooD

If anyone wants to test things we can do it this nigth.


And please, i dont care about the setup you use, i just want to prove something.

With evasion 19 and acrobatic, elude, evasion passive, dodge and evasive you cant be killed in less than 30 seconds.

You can kill me only with normal attacks in that time.

I dont care how much people you think uses this setup, i dont care if you think its useful or not.

Just want to show this, we tested it and its overpowered.

How to prove that storks are related with childbirth rate? You have to find place with lot of storks and with high childbirt rate. Then you just use Spearman correlation and you have proof!

Your test is not test of hunter evasion. Just like you can't say that kids are stork's gift.

[Angelwinged_Devil]

as I said before, taking soulkeeper(or any other spell) into the argument is really dull, soulkeeper is already evaded a lot. A spell that doesn't hit is useless and a waste of mana.

Originally Posted by cumeritanes

well, a good indicator for success are RP, and hunters are not very well rewarded with it...means they don't kill so much than other classes. On the other hand they are not so much killed due to their defence. That is the point that annoys people...not getting RP for hunters, because they run away. Actually there are several ways to prevent a hunter from running. Even if they can escape, be satisfied. Don't leech only for RP.

I disagree, it's not a good indicator for success...
btw, try to look on the rankings of rp for syrtis and see what class is on the top .
the rp rankings shows how much you've been fighting people in the war zone, it doesn't show if you were helpful each time, leeching or actually effective.
With my pvp build I have a lot of control spells at level one I use a lot, even though I don't do most damage I can get 1 or 2 rp, the two others doing all the damage gets 4 times as much or something.

Originally Posted by cumeritanes

When you whine about an other class you show how egositic you are. You show, that you didn't get that regnum is a teamplay in the first line and not a single player game.

I disagree . I know regnum is a teamplay game. But there's not much teamplay in a whole army shooting at an archer who can't be taken down. I witnessed this, there were 10 alsius at pp, me and the hunter charged them, I died pretty quickly as they aimed for me (mod animation) first, the hunter afterwards, they got him to half hp but he still got away, he was not even 50.

So please... don't come tell me the archer class is not overpowered with that evasion... before a certain update it didn't make such a big difference, now it makes the whole difference.

[CumeriTarenes]

AWD, what about get your char to 50 and come back to forum to talk about balance.

There is no balance when a lvl 40 fights against a lvl 50. It is the level difference that causes most evades/resists...just try to hit a lvl 50 mob and a mob of your lvl and you'll know

To the RP...this is not a discussion about RP...and no need to talk about syrtis #1 hunter since everybody knows that that hunter played 24/7 to get the RP

So please... don't come tell me the archer class is not overpowered with that evasion... before a certain update it didn't make such a big difference, now it makes the whole difference.

maybe it is not the archers evasion....it is more a matter of other classes hit chance. You cannot tune down everything all the time...why not ask for a better hit chance/spell focus for other classes?

[Angelwinged_Devil]

Originally Posted by CumeriTarenes

AWD, what about get your char to 50 and come back to forum to talk about balance.

There is no balance when a lvl 40 fights against a lvl 50. It is the level difference that causes most evades/resists...just try to hit a lvl 50 mob and a mob of your lvl and you'll know

Ungh... please do not use the level 50 argument... I'm level 46 and working to get 50 btw, but please, don't use it. And I'm not talking about my fight with Valorius if that's what you think.
Look at something else I posted, me and a hunter going for 10 alsius, he could get away even though the whole army was hammering at him. And this guy was not level 50

Originally Posted by cumeritanes

To the RP...this is not a discussion about RP...and no need to talk about syrtis #1 hunter since everybody knows that that hunter played 24/7 to get the RP

great , then you shouldn't have included them in the first place though imo.

Originally Posted by cumeritanes

maybe it is not the archers evasion....it is more a matter of other classes hit chance. You cannot tune down everything all the time...why not ask for a better hit chance/spell focus for other classes?

actually everything got a better resistance/evasion, even mobs. It just gave the archers the push with their evasion tree.