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View Poll Results: Which class is most overpowered?
Warlocks 27 23.28%
Marksmen 18 15.52%
Conjurors 5 4.31%
Knights 4 3.45%
Hunters 23 19.83%
Barbarians 21 18.10%
General Warriors 2 1.72%
General Mages 1 0.86%
General Archers 15 12.93%
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Old 04-11-2008, 07:16 PM   #231
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Just for you Signatus/yoshi, on "beating pts hunters". I just have beaten Julius on 1vs1 with my lv 45 marks. I can post log if you want, but Julius can confirm.

I was unfortunately healed at the very end of the fight but I had more than 1000 hps while he was almost dead so I had won, it made me mad though because I'd have prefered no interference . Btw he didn't try to run.

I got him by surprise, in his back, but only with burst of wind, and he had time to run out the dizziness (no damage done). I buffed after burst of wind, I had NO buff previously. So did Julius.

I didn't even use dodge because I kept it and he cast Confuse 4 on me .

Nice fight Julius, it's too bad the game is unbalanced because you should have won this one
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Old 04-11-2008, 07:26 PM   #232
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Of course is not logical, but a lot of hunters want the marksman defense nerfed only in strategic position because they dont want their own one nerfed. And that will not solve anything.

Thats why i said it was funny.
Oh nonsense. You'd still have defensive tactics just like hunters do.

Just admit your class is overpowered and try and come up with some productive suggestions instead of being all in denial and putting down others suggestions.

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Masksman is an offensive class with more defense than defensive classes. This is the problem.
It most certainly is.

The simple elimination of strategic positioning is to me, the obvious solution. Just give them some other OFFENSIVE skill instead. perhaps a marksman version of head of the pack- if not head of the pack outright.
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Old 04-11-2008, 07:29 PM   #233
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Oh nonsense. You'd still have defensive tactics just like hunters do.

Just admit your class is overpowered and try and come up with some productive suggestions instead of being all in denial.
Marksman is not my class, i just steal marksmans from my guild sometimes.

This is just what makes me laugh, a hunter saying markmans are overpowered because they have more armor than hunters.

Just admit you dont want your evasion tree nerfed, thats what i want, all archers defenses nerfed not just marksman, if you think only nerfing strategic position you will solve something you are so wrong sweetie.
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Old 04-11-2008, 07:32 PM   #234
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Hunters have almost no offense to speak of (maybe the weakest offense of any class in the game) and only 3000hp approx at lvl 50. Take away their evasion, and they would be dogmeat.

I get hit for almost 3000dmg now as it is by barbs, even with Acrobat lvl 5. And for almost 2000dmg even if i have defensive tactics cast as well.

The problem AINT the evasion tree sweetie, it's strategic positioning.
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Old 04-11-2008, 07:35 PM   #235
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Maybe if you weren't in the middle of enemies you wouldn't get 3000 Hps of damage sent in the face right? Maybe you'd be more careful about your position. Before it became a trend to have evasion 19, Saguenay and others managed without much evasion but that's certainly too hard for you

Evasion *is* the problem.
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Hunters have almost no offense to speak of (maybe the weakest offense of any class in the game) and only 3000hp approx at lvl 50. Take away their evasion, and they would be dogmeat.
Hunters like you will be dogmean.

I thought we were talking about good hunters.
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Old 04-11-2008, 07:45 PM   #237
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Maybe if you weren't in the middle of enemies you wouldn't get 3000 Hps of damage sent in the face right? Maybe you'd be more careful about your position. Before it became a trend to have evasion 19, Saguenay and others managed without much evasion but that's certainly too hard for you

Evasion *is* the problem.
A marksman can do the same thing, and barely take any dmg at all. I see it EVERY DAY. As for taking 3000dmg from barbs, don't matter if i'm in the rear with the gear or at the tip of the spear.....a 3000hp hit is a 3000hp hit, no matter where it comes. And if NGD really wants Hunters using Shortbows, as it surely seems they do, then it's ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL that hunters be able to close into the range of every ranged attacker in the game and survive to deliver our own attacks.

Evasion is not the problem- strategic positioning is.

PS: Before she left Saguenay told me she thought i was the best hunter in the game (i personally felt the same way about her). What do you think about that?

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Old 04-11-2008, 07:47 PM   #238
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A marksman can do the same thing, and barely take any dmg at all. I see it EVERY DAY. As for taking 3000dmg from barbs, don't matter if i'm in the rear with the gear or at the tip of the spear.....a 3000hp hit is a 3000hp hit, no matter where it comes. And if NGD really wants Hunters using Shortbows, as it surely seems they do, then it's ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL that hunters be able to close into the range of every ranged attack in the game and survive to deliver our own attacks.
Marksmen who behave like that are the same bullshit.. We're criticizing Evasion. It affects Marks & Hunters. I personally think Marksmen are more overpowered because they have also a lot of awesome damage skills and debuffs and range...

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PS: Before she left Saguenay told me she thought i was the best hunter in the game. What do you think about that?
That she was bored with you and wanted to please your ego, she surely thought it wasn't inflated enough
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Old 04-11-2008, 07:49 PM   #239
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LOL, yep, i'm sure that's it.
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Old 04-11-2008, 07:54 PM   #240
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Not all marksmen use these buffs and quite a few waste use all of their mana quickly...

Alot of time in fort wars marksmen will shout for mana or drop the lines to regain it sometimes.

It's more of a team effort to take down a marksmen like it is for a knight often... Mind squasher is the worst thing to receive for a marks >.<
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