It's not a Conjurer's job to keep you alive - Page 8

Torin_Ironfist · 01-27-2009, 11:42 PM

[QUOTE=gph]Well I'm now officially campagning for "bitch of the year". Last conjuror with Zarkit that joined me in fight got a nice "good luck" from my part. I left him to die and came back for the kill after he died. I officially don't help people that get me to death.

I'm bored people unstunning warriors around me while I try to get back to my lines, I'm bored people playing stupidely and not thinking a single second of what they do. So I'm now having fun of them, if I can't have fun fighting with them./QUOTE]
I usually make sure to note to the conjurers and team in general when I am going to start having fun and not worrying about my life. I tell them not to buff me because they will be wasted on me charging after a mob of 15 with my 1 knight

Kittypretty · 01-28-2009, 12:06 PM

I would have to say my biggest complaint with conjuring (mainly support for grinders)

is that they do not realize i have cooldowns, and i cant always supply them with mana when they decide to tackle hard mobs.

i find myself stuck in repeated synergy bonds and ambitious sacrifice just to even stay afloat to keep them with mana and more importantly from dying. as i have to spam the healing button as well. all the while theyre happily running off to the next mob while i struggle to catch up, and when i get there..i hear mana/vida! nary a thank you..

BorkFork · 01-28-2009, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by e30ernest

move yourself out of the way. Go to a safer area, seek cover and recover that way we can conserve our revives and you can live to kill even more enemies.
Cheers!

Conserving heal: Oh Shut up, you play as a conjurer. YOU HEAL! IT'S YOUR DUTY.

Comp · 01-28-2009, 10:27 PM

I suck as a conjurer...but i can say that when I do conjurer...I'm never idle and I don't attack.....I'm busy with DI, regen ally, heals. mana comun., synergy bond...rinse and repeat. I keep other conjurers DId and regen ally on those about to charge. I also move in with the charge so I can heal warriors and others needing it. Here's my complaint...

PUT THE DAMN ZARKIT AWAY!!! - OR - Train such that you have enough of a zarkit to lvl but more heals and ally assisted skills than not. If you drag your dumb zarkit to a fight you can't:

1. Effectively keep an eye on your team mates...your too worried about your zarkit attacking
2. Your giving warlocks a nice friggin' toy.

Watch conjurers like Mehgan, Niola, Sabrina, Hegrulun from alsius.....and always...always revive conjurers first.

Onteron · 01-29-2009, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by BorkFork

Quote:

Originally Posted by e30ernest

move yourself out of the way. Go to a safer area, seek cover and recover that way we can conserve our revives and you can live to kill even more enemies.
Cheers!

Conserving heal: Oh Shut up, you play as a conjurer. YOU HEAL! IT'S YOUR DUTY.

(Biting) The phrase "conserving heal" doesn't even appear in that quote.

Flightcap · 01-29-2009, 07:34 PM

It seems that some people have a warped idea about conjurers that the conjurer exists only to save their lives and that if they die it's because the conjurer wasn't doing his job. On the contrary, I have seen three conjurers healing someone like mad before and they STILL die because they just sit there to get shot at. We have limitations and often can't save your life. I try to tell my group if I am on cd or low on mana, so they know not to go running into the line of fire quite so recklessly. At the end of the day, though, there's only so much a conjurer can do. Staying alive is ultimately your responsibility.

We also seem to have the idea that a conjurer isn't made to fight. If that was true, why would we have the zarkit and bloodrinker spells, just to name two? Yeah they make grinding easier, but they also smash some rear ends if used properly in wz. There is a lot of offensive power in the conj that I don't think has been tapped into. So if you see me running around with a zarkit, it's because I'm experimenting at making a warjurer. I sometimes like to get in my shots too.

Cool_is_i · 01-29-2009, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by BorkFork

Conserving heal: Oh Shut up, you play as a conjurer. YOU HEAL! IT'S YOUR DUTY.

Bloody Hell,
ITS NOT OUR JOB!
We heal because we can, not because we want to.
Yes i picked a conj, that doesn't mean im gona sit there and feed you.

Btw its called tactics, saving a revive/heal for someone who needs it so you and they can turn the tide of the battle, not waste it on some idiot who thinks that hes got a pet conj to heal only him.

octopus · 01-29-2009, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Cool_is_i

Bloody Hell,
ITS NOT OUR JOB!
We heal because we can, not because we want to.

And it's not a barbarian's job to hit enemies, or a warlock's job to use Terror, or an archer's job to fill the enemy with arrows. Of course, effective players will use their class abilities as effectively as possible, but they're all free to play ineffectively as possible too. However it is their teammate's choice to laugh at their lack of ability if they wish, too. I think most of us get a laugh when we see someone playing their class terribly. A conjurer shooting his staff when he teammates need mana/healing/revive, a barbarian repeatedly charging the enemy alone and dying in 2 seconds, a knight running around yelling "Vida!" when he's got 90% health left, an archer who forgot that SotW is no longer god mode running into 10 enemies and dying in 2 seconds, or a warlock staying on the front lines way to long. It is everbody's right to play stupidly, and everbody's right to criticize such play.

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Originally Posted by Cool_is_i

Btw its called tactics, saving a revive/heal for someone who needs it so you and they can turn the tide of the battle, not waste it on some idiot who thinks that hes got a pet conj to heal only him.

I'm curious how long you save a spell that's got a 10 second cool-down? If you're playing most effectively, you will know who most needs to be healed just before Heal comes out of cool-down, so you can cast it the moment it is ready.

Comp · 01-29-2009, 11:17 PM

When I play my conjurer...I am oblivious to the fight (except for when pushes are called)...most of the time I have the "V" key pressed and I'm babysitting health bars.

On a side note though....if you need "vida" or mana...I suggest you back away from the door....I'd imagine other conj have a hard time healing folks when their head is in the door...

Truewar · 02-03-2009, 09:30 AM

It is not knight`s job to defend u and save some conj`s @$$ =)

Of course, It isn`t.
But we do IT! On one of the Samal`s there were a lot of Ignises and Syrtisians. I`ve knockdown and kill a few guardians and one player, which had attacked our conj`s.

I was bombing the door for a long time and was defeated by someone. Soon the fort was captured. And I was resurected only after our forces had run away from there.

There were 2 conj`s 50 lvl and one or two lower.

Shame on u, firends!

It is not a job. It is a command game. And everyone should do the best he can!

01-28-2009, 12:06 PM	#72
Kittypretty Baron Join Date: May 2008 Location: Oahu, Hawaii Posts: 697	I would have to say my biggest complaint with conjuring (mainly support for grinders) is that they do not realize i have cooldowns, and i cant always supply them with mana when they decide to tackle hard mobs. i find myself stuck in repeated synergy bonds and ambitious sacrifice just to even stay afloat to keep them with mana and more importantly from dying. as i have to spam the healing button as well. all the while theyre happily running off to the next mob while i struggle to catch up, and when i get there..i hear mana/vida! nary a thank you.. __________________ Taking a break from Regnum due to work leaving me little free time! So my laptop must go for now! (ask me for full details, it is an Alienware Mx18 3rd gen Ivy bridge i73920xm & configured with SLI twin Nvidia 675m, paid 3,330$ asking 2,800$ or 2,400$ + netbook.

01-28-2009, 10:27 PM	#74
Comp Count Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Jippy's Mom's House Posts: 1,286	I suck as a conjurer...but i can say that when I do conjurer...I'm never idle and I don't attack.....I'm busy with DI, regen ally, heals. mana comun., synergy bond...rinse and repeat. I keep other conjurers DId and regen ally on those about to charge. I also move in with the charge so I can heal warriors and others needing it. Here's my complaint... PUT THE DAMN ZARKIT AWAY!!! - OR - Train such that you have enough of a zarkit to lvl but more heals and ally assisted skills than not. If you drag your dumb zarkit to a fight you can't: 1. Effectively keep an eye on your team mates...your too worried about your zarkit attacking 2. Your giving warlocks a nice friggin' toy. Watch conjurers like Mehgan, Niola, Sabrina, Hegrulun from alsius.....and always...always revive conjurers first. __________________ Compost (60 Hunter) Alsius Compoundious (Dead and gone...)

01-29-2009, 11:17 PM	#79
Comp Count Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Jippy's Mom's House Posts: 1,286	When I play my conjurer...I am oblivious to the fight (except for when pushes are called)...most of the time I have the "V" key pressed and I'm babysitting health bars. On a side note though....if you need "vida" or mana...I suggest you back away from the door....I'd imagine other conj have a hard time healing folks when their head is in the door... __________________ Compost (60 Hunter) Alsius Compoundious (Dead and gone...)

02-03-2009, 09:30 AM	#80
Truewar Master Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Kriegsplatz 6, Hopstad Alsius Ra Posts: 291	It is not knight`s job to defend u and save some conj`s @$$ =) It is not knight`s job to defend u and save some conj`s @$$ =) Of course, It isn`t. But we do IT! On one of the Samal`s there were a lot of Ignises and Syrtisians. I`ve knockdown and kill a few guardians and one player, which had attacked our conj`s. I was bombing the door for a long time and was defeated by someone. Soon the fort was captured. And I was resurected only after our forces had run away from there. There were 2 conj`s 50 lvl and one or two lower. Shame on u, firends! It is not a job. It is a command game. And everyone should do the best he can!

01-27-2009, 11:42 PM	#71
Torin_Ironfist Secondary account Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Hubert H. Humphrey Metrodome Posts: 212	[QUOTE=gph]Well I'm now officially campagning for "bitch of the year". Last conjuror with Zarkit that joined me in fight got a nice "good luck" from my part. I left him to die and came back for the kill after he died. I officially don't help people that get me to death. I'm bored people unstunning warriors around me while I try to get back to my lines, I'm bored people playing stupidely and not thinking a single second of what they do. So I'm now having fun of them, if I can't have fun fighting with them./QUOTE] I usually make sure to note to the conjurers and team in general when I am going to start having fun and not worrying about my life. I tell them not to buff me because they will be wasted on me charging after a mob of 15 with my 1 knight

01-29-2009, 07:34 PM	#76
Flightcap Apprentice Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Iowa, USA Posts: 81	It seems that some people have a warped idea about conjurers that the conjurer exists only to save their lives and that if they die it's because the conjurer wasn't doing his job. On the contrary, I have seen three conjurers healing someone like mad before and they STILL die because they just sit there to get shot at. We have limitations and often can't save your life. I try to tell my group if I am on cd or low on mana, so they know not to go running into the line of fire quite so recklessly. At the end of the day, though, there's only so much a conjurer can do. Staying alive is ultimately your responsibility. We also seem to have the idea that a conjurer isn't made to fight. If that was true, why would we have the zarkit and bloodrinker spells, just to name two? Yeah they make grinding easier, but they also smash some rear ends if used properly in wz. There is a lot of offensive power in the conj that I don't think has been tapped into. So if you see me running around with a zarkit, it's because I'm experimenting at making a warjurer. I sometimes like to get in my shots too.