To all the high level grinders

[Kyrottimus]

Originally Posted by Immune

I don't mean to sound like one of the "counterproductive" people, but although most of what you've said is true, going to war is still a *choice* of the player.

I agree that if you've been grinding for hours you should take a break and go to war, but some people just don't feel that way and you probably can't change that. You can only try to persuade them and hope they will listen.

I myself go to war (now lvl 38) but I do have to reskill for it or I am just a moving target. Multi-purpose setups like Kyro said are ok in theory, but in the long run will make them grind longer and be less effective in war when they decide to show up. Or at least, this is true for me.

I actually agree most with Edge, if leveling wasn't so hard people wouldn't be so reluctant to come to war imo.

I agree it should be a choice, but the more who show up to help retake a fort, the shorter amount of time it'll take to retake and then ALL of us can get back to our non-war objectives. That way, those of us who feel "duty-bound" to show up every (or almost every) time don't waste too much time at a fort getting our asses kicked by an outnumbering force 5:1.

The Mutli-role setups, to my knowledge, are easily attainable as warriors... I've never really tried them with mages/archers, though. The only exception to the warrior is the knight who is in aura-leech setup. Other than that, warriors are easy to mutli-role, imo.

But yeah, I too agree with both you and Edge. Grinding/leveling should be less agonizing and tedious and time-consuming. I understand the requirement to sell premium items such as boosters but as always, that's not an option for some people.

Or for others, who go on "Ximerin Strike" until they feel the game is more adequately balanced (yes, there are those who refuse to support the game until some modicum of class/realm/item balance is maintained).

[monktbd]

I played the last two days or so a lot with my conj in a mental grind setup.
I got squashed as easily as a lady bug but it was still fun besides feeling a bit out of place in an offensive setup with my conj.

I wanted to grind but never really had the time for it because almost always when I logged on one of our forts was taken.
So I can understand people between lvl30-50 that they want to grind especially I cannot spend 8 hours per day playing that game.

But then I prefer to war than to grind to 50 ASAP even if that means I cannot as many skills, as much good gear, as much mana and health with my lower lvl chars. And it means I die easier as well, I do not mind. Besides I think that with my limited playing skill I won't be that much better at 50 anyway.

I know that numbers count, that every arrow that hits a lower lvl player is one that did not land on a higher lvl player and vice versa. Simply that fact makes it clear that everyone counts even if 1 lvl 50 likely counts for 1.8 lvl 30 players or maybe more depending on skill.

Defending the gate for 2 hours is such a bore and waste of time that could be spent so much more useful than waiting for the one-three tries that someone breaks the gate.

Sometimes we do not have the force to stop that to happen but every time we can stop it from happening are hours that can be spent otherwise, be it grinding or 'normal' fort/bridge/hunting warring.

edit: kyro beat me to it

[Nightchill]

Originally Posted by Immune

I actually agree most with Edge, if leveling wasn't so hard people wouldn't be so reluctant to come to war imo.

I don't. On Alsius / Horus the case of grinders is shitload of already lvl 50 players grinding for drops, or lvl 50s leveling their alts which simply refuse to war. I know, at least for Syrtis, that people who go to war the most are the people that are FAR FAR away from lvl 50 on their only char. New people love going to wars, that's what makes them level even more later and almost never put grind in front of war. As for older players, at least on alsius they prefer to grind or level their alts. It got nothing to do with leveling system being so hard.

[Brother-brian]

Easy to say from the perspective of someone who has already reached lvl 50.

I am of the mind that the only real progress my guy makes is lvling up. When reaching top lvl, then wz effectiveness is at maximum, the only thing left to work on is playing technique and leadership.

Also bear in mind that there are many, too many imho, that dont listen to any kind of strategy, and most just run into battle a few at a time, to get chewed up by the meat-grinder that is Ignis.

Correction: into the meat-grinder that is any 1/2-way organized group of lvl 50's.

I come to battle when its convenient or desireable for me. Sorry if that upsets anyone. But I don't play in order to run into a wall of sultars, die, res, run into wall of barbs, die, res, ad nauseum.

It would seem to me that active clan leadership would be very helpful. But some clans are just huge, with no apparent leadership, and most are very small, with little dictators thinking they can become the next virtual hitler or something. When Tempest was still in existence (until only recently), I, as well as my very own personal Conjuror ;-), would follow him into virtually any battle that came up. He was lvl 50, was clan leader, and knew a lot about fort wars and strategy. And without being a dick about it. Didnt matter if we were grinding or not, we went. Now, we are pretty much solo, and decidedly so. She is trying to lvl conj up as much as poss before next update, and me? I have a knight that is virtually useless in wz, and a lock thats not far behind him.

You know what I think would be inspiring and encourage me to go to war more frequently? Hearing others talk about having participated in a real, git down, rub their nose in it, send the enemy running with its tail between its legs, @$$-WHOOPIN. Like taking someones gems or something.

Like Ignis does with us regularly, you know.

IMHO, no one really takes much part in it because they dont know even know what it feels like to really whoop the enemy good. It hasnt happened since ive been playing, because there simply arent enough of us, high lvl or otherwise. Everytime i place my mouse over the waev of enemies, all i see are "impossible, very hard, impossble, very hard, hard, impossible, very hard, impossible, impossible...". Those arent there for decoration, and compared to OUR team of resistance, I see "easy, very easy, challenging, easy, normal, easy, easy, normal,...... and 1 or 2 impossible".

It just wont work, man... ever.

I suggest letting people grind up to whatever lvl they feel is adequate before they start taking part in wz. At worst, it will be lvl 50, when there is nothing else to do.

[Kyrottimus]

Originally Posted by Nightchill

I don't. On Alsius / Horus the case of grinders is shitload of already lvl 50 players grinding for drops, or lvl 50s leveling their alts which simply refuse to war. I know, at least for Syrtis, that people who go to war the most are the people that are FAR FAR away from lvl 50 on their only char. New people love going to wars, that's what makes them level even more later and almost never put grind in front of war. As for older players, at least on alsius they prefer to grind or level their alts. It got nothing to do with leveling system being so hard.

Please don't over-generalize. Not all of Alsius is like that, just like not all of Syrtis save-camps and not all of Ignis fort-glitches. You get all types in all realms. Some have more than others, true, but for those of us in Alsius who try to show up to every fort war we're trying to make the realm not look like a bunch of lazy grinders.

I know during the day (when I'm usually catching up on sleep or working my primary here in N.A.) Alsius is in a CONSTANT state of war, retaking trell/aggs/imp 3 or 4 times AN HOUR sometimes. Sometimes from both Ignis and Syrtis at once. The few times I've been on and seen this I was PROUD to be an Alsirian as the vast majority of players were fighting and AS A TEAM.

I only wish the night-crew could be even half as cooperative.

[Recoil]

I will grind until 50 regardless of what you want, need or say. And I am always at imp/gate defense when need arises, so your argument is moot.

[Myxir]

According to the vision of NGD that Regnum should be a RvR game I fully agree with the OP.
But in my opinion Regnum is rather PvE. Grinding takes a lot of time and some people don't have the time to do both... grinding and war.
I already grinded my Hunter to 50. But I found a setup where I could do both. With my warlock I have a pure grinding setup which makes it hard to join war. And I think this goes for many other players as well.
Sadly focus is too much on grinding. I hope this will change.

[Evola]

Originally Posted by Myxir

But in my opinion Regnum is rather PvE. Grinding takes a lot of time and some people don't have the time to do both... grinding and war.

Long, hard, boring mobs crushing is not PvE. IMO.

[-Edge-]

Originally Posted by Nightchill

I don't. On Alsius / Horus the case of grinders is shitload of already lvl 50 players grinding for drops, or lvl 50s leveling their alts which simply refuse to war. I know, at least for Syrtis, that people who go to war the most are the people that are FAR FAR away from lvl 50 on their only char. New people love going to wars, that's what makes them level even more later and almost never put grind in front of war. As for older players, at least on alsius they prefer to grind or level their alts. It got nothing to do with leveling system being so hard.

That's not what I said. Although the shit drop rate is connected with the overall uber leveling experience, again if drops were obtained more easily in comparison with the premium ones such problems would not exist imo.

I was making the point that new players would go to war faster. The influx of bringing more people into war at a shorter period of time helps a lot imo. In Alsius on Horus the case is different just because some people are ignorant.

It would work both ways anyway I think, once more people came to war those people who grind would join in too. Because its just a problem of lack in confidence imo, if its just pure laziness then they can go to hell Just take a look at it this way in my favorite guide, and pull out the sarcasm detector:

Official Regnum Online Leveling Guide:

Hello and welcome to the world of Regnum Online, through this epic one page guide you will discover the tips and ways to get the full ingame experience, so join us on our journey through and let the fun, fun, fun commence!

To start out, Regnum is based upon grinding based leveling, this means you will spend most of your time leveling in a trance like manner. Kill, rest, kill, rest, kill, rest, etc. And it goes on and on! Remember you'll be fighting the SAME mobs most of the time for days, sometimes weeks if your lucky! For more information please refer to section 5.9C on where to find your mob's.

Congratulations! You just hit a level! Isn't it fun killing Hyenas nonstop? Every 10 or so levels they get slightly bigger, talk about fun! If your getting bored of Hyena's, which sources indicate is highly unlikely, you can go looking for other mob spawns, in some places players will need to use skill and wit to get flying mobs or mobs that run up cliffs, making the reward all the more rewarding! (Note: Sometimes you may need to battle other players in a battle of who gets the mob first due to limited spawns, this is just another exciting feature in Regnum Online!)

New level hooray! Are you having fun? Now lets go all over again, except this time we'll kill x3 as many mobs as before! (Purchase of premium strongly advised) YIPPIE! Once your level 4 you may start to notice you need more exp each level. Well luckily you can join a fun club! (AKA Zerg) The fun club will serve you as your new family, you can do eeeeverything together! Whether it be killing mobs, or killing other players. But whoah there tiger, take it easy, you still have a long way before killing other players!

For a taste of flavor you could go in the warzone to train, after all this game is filled with flavor and diversity. Now if along the way you get camped you need to remember, the friendly community is just saying hello to you, so next time your at Beach Save with 20 Igneans down your neck, remember its common courtesy to wave and say hello!

Now after a couple months, you will finally reach your target (or still may have another year to go considering you didn't use premium) and your level 50! *(Grinding experience may vary, if in need of epic drops and gems please consult your local zerg or premium tab)* NOW you can finally have all the fun and excitement you dreamed about when you first came to this game so many months ago! Your all ready now for the warzone! So what are you waiting for? Get your ass over that wall! Are you expecting to get the full experience? Boy will you get it! Well I won't keep you all waiting! Get out there and have fun! Now you can look upon your wonderful journey and all the time and/or money you spent on it, hell yeah it was worth it! So start all over again this time with the right class, realm, or server! The end

(Results may vary with premium)

[platyna]

This is also the issue in Syrtis. I know people L45 who were only in WZ to make quests.

Regards.