The useless spell list - Page 2

UmarilsStillHere · 08-02-2009, 05:14 PM

Removed Sheild Wall,

Crushing will be the next to be saved from the dark hole of uselessness if I see it a few times in the next few days.

terekon · 08-02-2009, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Umaril

Well, this is a list of all the spells that are totaly useless, to be classed as totaly useless I mean;

I never see them in war,
I never see them in grind,
I only very rarely see them at boss events,
Are rarely used over level 1

Since im not perfect I may miss some out, or put some in that you think are usefull, if so post what you think should be added/removed and why, For some spells I comment on their uselessness, here I go...

Archers

Long Bows

Point Shot: Does it work?

Evasion

Cat Reflexes: Does it work?
Spell Elude

Scouting

Track Monster
Track Ally
Camouflage Corpse

Aiming Mastery

Seeking Strike

Mages

Mental

Splinter Wall

Ok all done, If you think I missed something or put something In that you think is useful if you can give a good reason I will add/remove it.

Well i removed things i either agreed with or havent had enough experince with class to comment on.
Archers
So point shot and cat reflexes appear to work but its a percentage chance and the chance is purely based on each attack so its hit and miss and really needs to be put at high lvl to have any real chance of making a difference. Now cat reflexes is a passive so i usually leave it at lvl 1.

Spell elude seems to have a better success rate but isn't as good against spells as SoTW.

I have found track monster to only be useful during the 2 year celebration with the party mobs, found them all no problem with track monster.

Track ally is less useful but not entirely useless, once while hunting inside alsius after invasion a few of us got separated and track ally is how we got grouped back up since the terrain in realm is unfamiliar.

camo corpse is only useful when there is a lock going on a cremation rampage

seeking strike i use at lvl 5 for all the time -31 const thats a lot of health, just gone.

OK there is only one for the mages that i disagreed with that splinter wall, i use it when on realm gates mostly since its so chaotic just does constant dmg to anyone standing there that combined with a few other spells can add up to some real dmg.

well thats my opinion on some of the spells mentioned

UmarilsStillHere · 08-02-2009, 05:42 PM

Splinter wall relegated

Spells like Point shot and Cat reflex fall under the "only used on level 1 section, both make such a small differance thats its near impossible to tell if they are worth using, or even work at all.

Angelwinged_Devil · 08-02-2009, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Angelwinged_Devil

infuriate is useful?

splinter wall is useful if you can figure out how

it's pretty evil I can't see why wind wall and laziness sucks either? Laziness on 5 is 50% attack damage for 20 seconds

thing is this is called the useless spell list and not the list of spells that aren't popular

UmarilsStillHere · 08-02-2009, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Angelwinged_Devil

thing is this is called the useless spell list and not the list of spells that aren't popular

Its a good spell, but people dont use much/at all because they think other spells are a better investment of points, if it was removed tommorow to be replaced with something else I dont think anyone would miss it, since its not used,

As such, its pretty useless :P

Signatus · 08-02-2009, 11:26 PM

I can add some to Vanguard

Challenge (you said spells who rarely go higher then 1, in RvR is highly ineffective to have it over 1 I believe)
Provoking Blow
Arcane Constitution (seriously, it's cheaper to ask an ethereal mantle)

and Shields

Protector (then again, I think lvl 1 is the most common mainly because you can't attack nor cast...)

Ribs Breaker (maxed) is (still) an awesome spell in RvR... to knights below 40ish focusing on ccs.

_dracus_ · 08-03-2009, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by terekon

I have found track monster to only be useful during the 2 year celebration with the party mobs, found them all no problem with track monster.

Track ally is less useful but not entirely useless, once while hunting inside alsius after invasion a few of us got separated and track ally is how we got grouped back up since the terrain in realm is unfamiliar.

camo corpse is only useful when there is a lock going on a cremation rampage

You must be kidding.

Track mounster is either broken or only tracks mobs of your level (or level around).

Track ally is freakin useless, if you hunt in group go for VoIP (mumble). You can't use your mana to get back to your group like that.

Camo corpse is for grave digger, undertaker or whatever, all hunters on Ra refuse to use it!

Joking appart

Pet tree: Everything useless except Control mounster, Bestial wrath, Skin of beast. Have you tried once to use max hp passive and max armor passive ?

DemonMonger · 08-03-2009, 02:23 AM

I use grounding arrow and adaptability...

Grounding arrow lowers the archers damage for all shortbow/scouting skills and also lowers the archers evasion.

Just because you don't use these does not mean they are useless....
There is a time and place for everything...

Track monster, track ally have a purpose also....
I use both...

camo corpse I have no real use for... Unless I want to play "Medical Ninja" I think it would be better if i could drag bodies instead of camo them

Or better yet... camo enemy bodies to prevent revive!

DemonMonger · 08-03-2009, 02:32 AM

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Originally Posted by _dracus_

You must be kidding.

Track mounster is either broken or only tracks mobs of your level (or level around).

Track ally is freakin useless, if you hunt in group go for VoIP (mumble). You can't use your mana to get back to your group like that.

Camo corpse is for grave digger, undertaker or whatever, all hunters on Ra refuse to use it!

Joking appart

Pet tree: Everything useless except Control mounster, Bestial wrath, Skin of beast. Have you tried once to use max hp passive and max armor passive ?

yep track monster only tracks monsters your level.... have you ever used it to track an enemy hunter with a lvl 50 pet

give it a try

DemonMonger · 08-03-2009, 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Signatus

I can add some to Vanguard

Challenge (you said spells who rarely go higher then 1, in RvR is highly ineffective to have it over 1 I believe)
Provoking Blow
Arcane Constitution (seriously, it's cheaper to ask an ethereal mantle)

and Shields

Protector (then again, I think lvl 1 is the most common mainly because you can't attack nor cast...)

Ribs Breaker (maxed) is (still) an awesome spell in RvR... to knights below 40ish focusing on ccs.

Challenge is great to prevent a hunter from using camo/stalker or revive pet
You can also use this skill to mark targets in battle.

08-02-2009, 05:14 PM	#11
UmarilsStillHere Marquis Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: England Posts: 2,419	Removed Sheild Wall, Crushing will be the next to be saved from the dark hole of uselessness if I see it a few times in the next few days. __________________ Faith 50 Barb Faithless 50 Lock Umaril 45 Conju Kailas 45 Marks Pel 45 Knight I N Q U I S I T I O N

08-02-2009, 05:42 PM	#13
UmarilsStillHere Marquis Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: England Posts: 2,419	Splinter wall relegated Spells like Point shot and Cat reflex fall under the "only used on level 1 section, both make such a small differance thats its near impossible to tell if they are worth using, or even work at all. __________________ Faith 50 Barb Faithless 50 Lock Umaril 45 Conju Kailas 45 Marks Pel 45 Knight I N Q U I S I T I O N Last edited by Umaril; 08-02-2009 at 06:00 PM.

08-02-2009, 11:26 PM	#16
Signatus Master Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Damn, I'm lost again!... but now I have a map, wiii! Posts: 389	I can add some to Vanguard Challenge (you said spells who rarely go higher then 1, in RvR is highly ineffective to have it over 1 I believe) Provoking Blow Arcane Constitution (seriously, it's cheaper to ask an ethereal mantle) and Shields Protector (then again, I think lvl 1 is the most common mainly because you can't attack nor cast...) Ribs Breaker (maxed) is (still) an awesome spell in RvR... to knights below 40ish focusing on ccs. __________________ The sound of the Gion Shōja bells echoes the impermanence of all things; the color of the sāla flowers reveals the truth that the prosperous must decline. The proud do not endure, they are like a dream on a spring night; the mighty fall at last, they are as dust before the wind. -- Chapter 1.1 of The Tale of Heike, Helen Craig McCullough's translation

08-03-2009, 02:23 AM	#18
DemonMonger Marquis Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Edge of the Abyss Posts: 2,066	I use grounding arrow and adaptability... Grounding arrow lowers the archers damage for all shortbow/scouting skills and also lowers the archers evasion. Just because you don't use these does not mean they are useless.... There is a time and place for everything... Track monster, track ally have a purpose also.... I use both... camo corpse I have no real use for... Unless I want to play "Medical Ninja" I think it would be better if i could drag bodies instead of camo them Or better yet... camo enemy bodies to prevent revive!