Horus Alsius Organization

Brother-brian · 08-17-2009, 08:01 PM

I am posting this because it is clear to me, after months of playing as a full-blooded Alsian (i.e. no syrtis/ignis alts), that we desperately need more organization in virtually all WZ activities.

Home Forts:
defending
re-capturing

Enemy Forts:
capturing
defending

Home/Enemy Castle:
(re)capturing
defending

Bridges:
defending

Realm Gates:
defending

Enemy Gates:
attacking

Universal Regroup Spots

Home Invasion Procedure

Enemy Invasion Procedure

Gem Defense Procedures

etc.

I can't remember who, but someone began posting detailed lessons on several of these aspects. It was a great start.

I specify Alsius because it seems that, while we CAN be a real whoop-@$$ realm when we wanna be, we usually aren't. We are an underpopulated realm, but probably have the highest number of Clans, lol. We seem to be a realm of individualists, who all want to do what they want, rather than go along with a tactical strategy that is likely to bring victory, if everyone cooperates.

But there is really no way to enforce such strategy, and there should be no need for "enforcement". Only people who are willing to help are going to help, period.

So, what I think is called for is some kind of "training" aspect for lower level players, before they really get to WZ level. If everyone knew what to do before they got there, then no one would have to try to convince anyone of what to do WHILE we are being invaded. I would start this myself, but, as I am currently only level 46 on both of my chars, and I dont have the WZ expereince that some of yall have, I am unqualified by myself to do this. But I am willing to dedicate some time to this, so maybe all that is needed is to help feed info to me on these subjects.

What I suggest is perhaps a series of threads dedicated to specific WZ subjects, like the list above (which is not complete, btw).

Also, I am thinking of a special "WZ Training" class to be held in the Coliseum, specifically for lower levels that are not yet really "WZ" ready. Something in which they can try out different spellbook setups, different powers, get a feel for casting times, practice against single opponents and multiple, things like that. It would require some time dedication, as well as keeping the trainer(s) out of the WZ during "class" time. BUt I think the payoff would be HUGE, in a regular cycle of newer players that were more WZ competent than many of the players we have now. We would wind up being more organized, and there would be more respect for all those high-level players that contributed in some way to the training, which breeds loyalty to the WZ leaders, and the the realm in general.

There could even be a clan for it, (Alsian WZ Trainee) or something. Something to graduate from, before going into another clan.

Anyway, what do the rest of my Alsian bros think?

Charizard · 08-17-2009, 08:12 PM

I think you need to spend less time on the forum complaining and more time in-game actually playing.

-Edge- · 08-17-2009, 08:15 PM

I think you mean well

But you are making the problem even bigger by dramatizing it. You just need to accept it, if you can't its going to be hard for you.

UmarilsStillHere · 08-17-2009, 08:18 PM

/me puts on a cheap beard and straps his shoes to his knees,

I think we should just deal with the fact that Regnum will never be a stratagy based uber organised war game, people play it to have fun, not to be ordered around by some guy with a chip on his sholder, if they wanted that they would join the real army, or a boyband,

Also we should let Faith kill us more.

/me straps his pointy ears back on and stands up

There will never be real organisation in the game, people are not robots and they are not bound by some army, a country, or the threat of acctualy death so will happily break the plan, run off, go chase someone etc etc, If you want real organisation play an RTS.

ArchmagusArcana · 08-17-2009, 08:19 PM

http://www.regnumonline.com.ar/forum...ad.php?t=45085

Was that one of them?

I agree that this realm needs some serious (team)work to be a effective in the WZ, but when you get people together, especially in an environment like this, chaos tends to be the result.

Take a break, have a week or two off when its gets too frustrating.....thats what im doing right now.

Brother-brian · 08-17-2009, 08:19 PM

This is not complaining, this is identifying a problem, and offering a possible solution.

Brother-brian · 08-17-2009, 08:29 PM

Yes, that was one of the articles I was referring to.

And I only bring it up, because it obviously isnt impossible, Ignis is probably the most organized machine in the game. Yes, Istill think they win because they have the numbers, but they also have organization and work well as a team. This is evidenced by the countless times ive seen a fort be held for 2 hours or longer, sometimes by as few as 2-3 Ignis... vs 8-10 Alsius. Strategy would have won the day, but we always have like 2-3 high levels, and the rest are 30's - low 40's. Without organization. And then we complain because we cant win against disgusting odds like 10/3 (myself included in the complaining).

All I'm doing is trying to generate some interest in the kind of organization Ignis has among its players. Because I think that we could actually take on superior numbers with some strategy, because we know that, in a fair fight (with enemies as equally unorganized as us, lol), Alsius usually wins.

UmarilsStillHere · 08-17-2009, 08:39 PM

On RA Alsius was(still is?) prided by other realms on their organisation, which they manage despite often having a good chunk of the army speaking other languages, would be great if Alsius Horus could do the same but to be honest if its any thing like the syrtis rabble I wouldent know were to start,

Brother-brian · 08-17-2009, 08:44 PM

im afraid I dont understand what you mean.

ArchmagusArcana · 08-17-2009, 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Umaril

On RA Alsius was(still is?) prided by other realms on their organisation, which they manage despite often having a good chunck of the army speaking other languages, would be great if Alsius Horus could do the same but tbh if its any thing like the syrtis rabble I wouldent know were to start,

I was going to mention that. I logged in a few months ago, ignis had aggers with about 25 people, alsius had about 10-15. We smoked em; killed them all, broke the door and killed the GC in under 5 minutes. I was very impressed. I think that perhaps the language barrier in a lot of ways may help things as people dont focus on all the needless bullshit that goes on in general and realm chat, and just looks at what their allies are doing.

Edit:

BB: Alsius was for a long time (i dont play enough to know if it still is) in the same situation we are, full of warriors and undermanned. If anything though, it seems to be a boon rather than a bane as they really kick a lot of ass, even while being outnumbered.

08-17-2009, 08:01 PM	#1
Brother-brian Master Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 271	Horus Alsius Organization I am posting this because it is clear to me, after months of playing as a full-blooded Alsian (i.e. no syrtis/ignis alts), that we desperately need more organization in virtually all WZ activities. Home Forts: defending re-capturing Enemy Forts: capturing defending Home/Enemy Castle: (re)capturing defending Bridges: defending Realm Gates: defending Enemy Gates: attacking Universal Regroup Spots Home Invasion Procedure Enemy Invasion Procedure Gem Defense Procedures etc. I can't remember who, but someone began posting detailed lessons on several of these aspects. It was a great start. I specify Alsius because it seems that, while we CAN be a real whoop-@$$ realm when we wanna be, we usually aren't. We are an underpopulated realm, but probably have the highest number of Clans, lol. We seem to be a realm of individualists, who all want to do what they want, rather than go along with a tactical strategy that is likely to bring victory, if everyone cooperates. But there is really no way to enforce such strategy, and there should be no need for "enforcement". Only people who are willing to help are going to help, period. So, what I think is called for is some kind of "training" aspect for lower level players, before they really get to WZ level. If everyone knew what to do before they got there, then no one would have to try to convince anyone of what to do WHILE we are being invaded. I would start this myself, but, as I am currently only level 46 on both of my chars, and I dont have the WZ expereince that some of yall have, I am unqualified by myself to do this. But I am willing to dedicate some time to this, so maybe all that is needed is to help feed info to me on these subjects. What I suggest is perhaps a series of threads dedicated to specific WZ subjects, like the list above (which is not complete, btw). Also, I am thinking of a special "WZ Training" class to be held in the Coliseum, specifically for lower levels that are not yet really "WZ" ready. Something in which they can try out different spellbook setups, different powers, get a feel for casting times, practice against single opponents and multiple, things like that. It would require some time dedication, as well as keeping the trainer(s) out of the WZ during "class" time. BUt I think the payoff would be HUGE, in a regular cycle of newer players that were more WZ competent than many of the players we have now. We would wind up being more organized, and there would be more respect for all those high-level players that contributed in some way to the training, which breeds loyalty to the WZ leaders, and the the realm in general. There could even be a clan for it, (Alsian WZ Trainee) or something. Something to graduate from, before going into another clan. Anyway, what do the rest of my Alsian bros think?

08-17-2009, 08:18 PM	#4
UmarilsStillHere Marquis Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: England Posts: 2,419	/me puts on a cheap beard and straps his shoes to his knees, I think we should just deal with the fact that Regnum will never be a stratagy based uber organised war game, people play it to have fun, not to be ordered around by some guy with a chip on his sholder, if they wanted that they would join the real army, or a boyband, Also we should let Faith kill us more. /me straps his pointy ears back on and stands up There will never be real organisation in the game, people are not robots and they are not bound by some army, a country, or the threat of acctualy death so will happily break the plan, run off, go chase someone etc etc, If you want real organisation play an RTS. __________________ Faith 50 Barb Faithless 50 Lock Umaril 45 Conju Kailas 45 Marks Pel 45 Knight I N Q U I S I T I O N

08-17-2009, 08:19 PM	#5
ArchmagusArcana Master Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 357	http://www.regnumonline.com.ar/forum...ad.php?t=45085 Was that one of them? I agree that this realm needs some serious (team)work to be a effective in the WZ, but when you get people together, especially in an environment like this, chaos tends to be the result. Take a break, have a week or two off when its gets too frustrating.....thats what im doing right now. __________________ Alsirian Legion Horus: Wulfgar Heartsfang 50 barb: Arcan Heartsfang 50 Lock RA: Drakonklenok 50 Knight

08-17-2009, 08:39 PM	#8
UmarilsStillHere Marquis Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: England Posts: 2,419	On RA Alsius was(still is?) prided by other realms on their organisation, which they manage despite often having a good chunk of the army speaking other languages, would be great if Alsius Horus could do the same but to be honest if its any thing like the syrtis rabble I wouldent know were to start, __________________ Faith 50 Barb Faithless 50 Lock Umaril 45 Conju Kailas 45 Marks Pel 45 Knight I N Q U I S I T I O N

08-17-2009, 08:12 PM	#2
Charizard Secondary account Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 2	I think you need to spend less time on the forum complaining and more time in-game actually playing.

08-17-2009, 08:15 PM	#3
-Edge- Banned Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Łódż, Poland Posts: 1,506	I think you mean well But you are making the problem even bigger by dramatizing it. You just need to accept it, if you can't its going to be hard for you.

08-17-2009, 08:29 PM	#7
Brother-brian Master Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 271	Yes, that was one of the articles I was referring to. And I only bring it up, because it obviously isnt impossible, Ignis is probably the most organized machine in the game. Yes, Istill think they win because they have the numbers, but they also have organization and work well as a team. This is evidenced by the countless times ive seen a fort be held for 2 hours or longer, sometimes by as few as 2-3 Ignis... vs 8-10 Alsius. Strategy would have won the day, but we always have like 2-3 high levels, and the rest are 30's - low 40's. Without organization. And then we complain because we cant win against disgusting odds like 10/3 (myself included in the complaining). All I'm doing is trying to generate some interest in the kind of organization Ignis has among its players. Because I think that we could actually take on superior numbers with some strategy, because we know that, in a fair fight (with enemies as equally unorganized as us, lol), Alsius usually wins.

08-17-2009, 08:44 PM	#9
Brother-brian Master Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 271	im afraid I dont understand what you mean.