Regarding the evade and resist rate since the last patch... - Page 4

-Edge- · 08-28-2009, 08:23 PM

I've noticed something when I piggyback, (I'm sure others have thought about it too) The thing is, when I get an evade on my first hit, then piggyback a spell I notice the spell is evaded too. This is always the case.

So I believe NGD's evade system works on random parts in time, not a % chance when you are attacking.

Another example of this same system is found in dropping. When I kill a monster and get a drop, if I kill another monster VERY fast after the one I just killed I will get another drop. Same thing goes for area kills, I can confirm this about 3 times. Another thing in it is the fact that the 2nd drop will have the same level as the 1st drop.

I think Comp was talking about this awhile ago, just confirming it. That's some insight on NGD's system anyway. Evades and drop chance are around us every second, even when we are standing, just only when we happen to trigger them during a time like that (killing a mob, or attacking) then we see it.

Anyriand · 08-28-2009, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Umaril

Yeah archers killing warriors without taking a hit is more than noramal as well, dosnt make it right.

Think about what you just said... Knight powers fail all the time... thats hardly a good class now is it?

I'm sorry I didn't read that well the first time, I just realized you were the one blocking, not him... Who's the knight after all?

Nowadays it's simply depressing to be a knight, I find myself in similar situations almost everyday...
There is just no point at all in being a knight now, it's actually sad

UmarilsStillHere · 08-29-2009, 01:47 PM

Fayablasta Is the knight, Faith is a Barb, though I do have a knight on Ra

And playing him recently its bloody hard to kill any player... even if he stands still it takes a year... Then if its an Archer he can LP and laugh at you as he runs off... So yeah I may as well just ditch the weps and only project auras out of my arse...

Anyriand · 08-30-2009, 02:12 AM

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Fayablasta Is the knight, Faith is a Barb, though I do have a knight on Ra

Yes, I've had the pleasure (or not

) of meeting you in wz a few times, what confused me was the way the combat log was shown... nvm, I'm slow sometimes.

Now, I know this thread is about the new evade/resist rate since last update, and I'm aware it affects everyone, every class, at any lvl... but a while ago I read somewhere in this forum a thread from NGD explain the purpose of each class in this game and I just don't get it... There it said each realm should have an average 30% warriors, and that they are supposed to be the fastest leveling class in the game...

Although my good will believes the last updates were not meant to nerf warriors, they did. Warriors already have a disadvantage by having no range, which would supposedly be compensated by other stuff such as high dmg in barbs, and high hp and blocks with knights...
I can't talk much about barbs b/c i don't have one, but I can talk about my experience with my knight... Knights were ruined since precise block, deflecting barrier and AoO were changed. Now with this evade/resist crap it just makes it a nightmare! I am no longer a knight, nor do i feel satisfied with having one. I feel like a barb with very low dmg... Sure I still have loads of hp, but I block like shit, now even a barb can block more then me...or better, even mobs block more then I do..

I also play a hunter and a conjurer and although I've noticed the same problems with resists and evades from both mobs and players, it doesn't affect me as much as it does to my knight, and that's probably b/c of the range.
Warriors were never 30% of alsius' population (i can't speak for other realms although I think this is not true in ignis and syrtis as well), and at this rate, they won't be 5%... Knights were already the slowest leveling class in the game, now it's even worse...

UmarilsStillHere · 08-30-2009, 12:44 PM

I find a good way to guess the populations of each realm per class is to look at the rankings and see how many level 50's of each class each realm has, some have over 30, and some have quit, so its in no way accurate, but its a good way to guess and clearly shows that There are a load more mages and archers around than warriors.

Saryad · 09-08-2009, 11:01 PM

How can i have 21/40 off my normal hits evaded when i have a hit chance of ~800 ?

Anpu · 09-08-2009, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Saryad

How can i have 21/40 off my normal hits evaded when i have a hit chance of ~800 ?

Your HC vs his evade. I think ratio you get by your_hc/his_evade=evade rate
I think formula exist even on wiki somewhere

Saryad · 09-09-2009, 09:25 AM

There is only so far that "Its random" can be used as an excuse.
For god's sakes fix it and do it quickly it makes playing marksman rather hard, i use normals to do over 65% of my damage

08-29-2009, 01:47 PM	#33
UmarilsStillHere Marquis Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: England Posts: 2,419	Fayablasta Is the knight, Faith is a Barb, though I do have a knight on Ra And playing him recently its bloody hard to kill any player... even if he stands still it takes a year... Then if its an Archer he can LP and laugh at you as he runs off... So yeah I may as well just ditch the weps and only project auras out of my arse... __________________ Faith 50 Barb Faithless 50 Lock Umaril 45 Conju Kailas 45 Marks Pel 45 Knight I N Q U I S I T I O N

08-30-2009, 12:44 PM	#35
UmarilsStillHere Marquis Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: England Posts: 2,419	I find a good way to guess the populations of each realm per class is to look at the rankings and see how many level 50's of each class each realm has, some have over 30, and some have quit, so its in no way accurate, but its a good way to guess and clearly shows that There are a load more mages and archers around than warriors. __________________ Faith 50 Barb Faithless 50 Lock Umaril 45 Conju Kailas 45 Marks Pel 45 Knight I N Q U I S I T I O N

09-08-2009, 11:01 PM	#36
Saryad Initiate Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Birmingham UK Posts: 199	How can i have 21/40 off my normal hits evaded when i have a hit chance of ~800 ? __________________ Saint Saryad

09-09-2009, 09:25 AM	#38
Saryad Initiate Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Birmingham UK Posts: 199	There is only so far that "Its random" can be used as an excuse. For god's sakes fix it and do it quickly it makes playing marksman rather hard, i use normals to do over 65% of my damage __________________ Saint Saryad

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08-28-2009, 08:23 PM	#31
-Edge- Banned Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Łódż, Poland Posts: 1,506	I've noticed something when I piggyback, (I'm sure others have thought about it too) The thing is, when I get an evade on my first hit, then piggyback a spell I notice the spell is evaded too. This is always the case. So I believe NGD's evade system works on random parts in time, not a % chance when you are attacking. Another example of this same system is found in dropping. When I kill a monster and get a drop, if I kill another monster VERY fast after the one I just killed I will get another drop. Same thing goes for area kills, I can confirm this about 3 times. Another thing in it is the fact that the 2nd drop will have the same level as the 1st drop. I think Comp was talking about this awhile ago, just confirming it. That's some insight on NGD's system anyway. Evades and drop chance are around us every second, even when we are standing, just only when we happen to trigger them during a time like that (killing a mob, or attacking) then we see it.