It's not a Conjurer's job to keep you alive

[Angelwinged_Devil]

if you're a conjurer grinding in a party you will only need to support depending on how big the party is and how effectively it plays, being a conjurer is a piece of cake mostly and the most rewarding since they get good grp xp and good chg as they can be a lot of levels lower than his grinding friends are and still get xp as the only class (if you don't count warlocks doing this for easy xp)

as for a conjurers job healing in war? It is his job, this is what the class was designed for, you'll always have to play the class for how it was designed, you can do this and still keep your own playing style if you want, if your playing style doesn't suit the class find another class to play, a conjurer is NOT a damage dealer.

It's like octopus said

And it's not a barbarian's job to hit enemies, or a warlock's job to use Terror, or an archer's job to fill the enemy with arrows. Of course, effective players will use their class abilities as effectively as possible, but they're all free to play ineffectively as possible too.

what wouldn't it look like if a barb was only casting onslaught and off with their heads for rp but staying behind the group already refusing to hit enemies because he says "It's not my job" or a warlock trying to be on half support half damage, or a knight focusing on damage and not defense at all, or a marksman running up close with a short bow every time, or a hunter in a fort war trying to be a marksman without tracking skills?

[Xarn]

Originally Posted by Angelwinged_Devil

you'll always have to play the class for how it was designed

My time, my money, your needs? Sounds like a very, very bad deal. In fact, you don't have to care how I suppose to spend my free time.
Try advices. They are more welcome than forces.

[_dracus_]

Originally Posted by Xarn

My time, my money, your needs? Sounds like a very, very bad deal. In fact, you don't have to care how I suppose to spend my free time.
Try advices. They are more welcome than forces.

Well you can do whatever you want, but classes are efficient the way they were thought.

[Xarn]

Originally Posted by gph

Well you can do whatever you want

Most of the time I'm spreading hp and mana. But this is plain useless if I have to face guards alone or left behind in a group.
The first enemy who laid to my feeds in this game got killed by my zarkit, while my "heroic" allies were running to the enemys save. That's about my first impression about roles in a team. Usually, this kind of "heros" are the ones who wanna tell others what they have to do.

Originally Posted by gph

but classes are efficient the way they were thought

Defend myself is IMHO a valid argument for having a bit damage and cc in my setup. Dead I can't support anyway.

Yes, I know how it is with other classes than a conju. Most of the time I played non-conju. But whenever I died beside a conjurer, I'd guess the rate of my own fool at about 99,9%.
While I never got a heal from a "Warlock cause they wont me to be a Warjurer" I got often saved my ass by a Warjurer with a low heal. Nuff said.

[monktbd]

Originally Posted by Xarn

While I never got a heal from a "Warlock cause they wont me to be a Warjurer" I got often saved my ass by a Warjurer with a low heal.

Are you aware that a Warlock would have a very hard time to try to heal you because he is missing that ability?
The best he can do is to cast MC and ask you to sit down while he tries to hold off the enemies.

[_dracus_]

Originally Posted by Xarn

Most of the time I'm spreading hp and mana. But this is plain useless if I have to face guards alone or left behind in a group.
The first enemy who laid to my feeds in this game got killed by my zarkit, while my "heroic" allies were running to the enemys save. That's about my first impression about roles in a team. Usually, this kind of "heros" are the ones who wanna tell others what they have to do.


Defend myself is IMHO a valid argument for having a bit damage and cc in my setup. Dead I can't support anyway.

Yes, I know how it is with other classes than a conju. Most of the time I played non-conju. But whenever I died beside a conjurer, I'd guess the rate of my own fool at about 99,9%.
While I never got a heal from a "Warlock cause they wont me to be a Warjurer" I got often saved my ass by a Warjurer with a low heal. Nuff said.

I entirely disagree with you. Warjurors got me killed more than once casting me regen level 1-2-3 over the regen 5 from good conjurors. Adding to that the damage of their stolen zarkit ... Even my pt warlock (lvl 48) can steal 10 zarkit during a fort war. I had few screen of that last week-end.

I play a level 41 conjuror with full support and lvl 3 dispell. When I die, generally it's the end of the fight. What you have to understand is that it's not any PvP game, it's a team play.

To me warjuror are just people I don't try to help because I know that at some point i'll be counting on him assuming he is a conjuror and no he will cast zarkit or give me regen 1 on my regen 5 ...

[Heglin]

Originally Posted by gph

To me warjuror are just people I don't try to help because I know that at some point i'll be counting on him assuming he is a conjuror and no he will cast zarkit or give me regen 1 on my regen 5 ...

Same for me, it's a great way to get on the shit list to summon/heal your zarkit instead of healing a ally (i've seen it happening many times and always ignored the warjurer for a long time after that).

Another kind of conju i dislike is the one who only heal/give mana by aura and never use heal/regenerate ally, synergy bond. That's the guys who can't think and walk at the same time

[Mellion]

whenever I have time in game:

"conjurer" with zarkit, heal ally 1, greater healing 1, mana commu 1 gets a

1. /ignore name

2. /no_support_list

[monktbd]

Originally Posted by eddius

Another kind of conju i dislike is the one who only heal/give mana by aura and never use heal/regenerate ally, synergy bond. That's the guys who can't think and walk at the same time

Depends on the conju lvl but synergy bond is often difficult for the conj when he is alone in the team and there is no lock with MC close.
My lvl 41 conj has no MC in the support setup because all goes to heal.
Of course this could be mended with a higher ambitious sacrifice and regenerate self and yadda yadda . Trade offs whereever you look at.

[Xarn]

Sweet statements. But guys, what about:

Originally Posted by me

Most of the time I'm spreading hp and mana. But this is plain useless if I have to face guards alone or left behind in a group.

Healing slave, anyone?