GameSamba's hall of shameless condemnation

[Vaylos]

Yeah, honestly I wouldn't know the first thing about cheating, altering packets or hacking a multiplayer online game. Certainly not an MMO. I mean, I just don't see the need or reason for it. It's one thing to do it in some single player game where you're playing against the computer, but in a game where you're playing with teams and such against fellow warm bodies...well...what's the point?

Anyway, yeah, I'm a musician and sound guy (formerly an IT guy) not a hacker, haha!

[Seher]

Well, they do record things, that could count as a proper anti cheat “shield”. It is the smarter way anyway, especially for a small company like NGD. If you immediately tell crackers when they’ve been found out, they can develop counter measures much easier. Keeping things sketchy helps. Programs that don’t immediately throw you out when you’re trying to run a crack are much harder to break. I don’t know much about this stuff, I know just which programs get cracked immediately and which even don’t get cracked at all, so someone actually knowing his stuff could shed some more light on this, but I doubt anyone will. :P

Anyway, a window popping up and saying “hey, you’re running cheat engine, so Regnum won’t” is dumb. :P

Originally Posted by erttzzadfk

- Writing in "News" we banned 50 people last year doesnt help to keep players believing enough in this system to keep them reporting.

You don’t believe that they only ban people when they actually say so, do you? So why do you want them to? I don’t get it, really.

You WILL notice yourself when someone who has been bothering you suddenly starts missing. End of the story. Maybe you want more reason to complain about why someone hasn’t been banned yet? ;-)

Transparency with bans leads to witch hunts, more jerks being proud of their bans, more jerks flaming against them, maybe even more people trying to get innocent players banned, and more controversy for unpopular sanctions. I still fail to see the positive points.

[erttzzadfk]

I'm sorry, Seher but your're repaeting all the time the same stuff.
All your question were already detailed answered..scroll back back to have a look. So i'll give up to try to explain you my motivation and find different arguments again and again and again now.
You want nothing to be done. You still believe in our actual reporting system. I understand that.
But didnt you recognized all these players who left this game by being frustrated reporting and nothing was done in their eyes? You cant be that blind. They will not write here and we both know many germans wont write here too although they might think the same. I left the gamigo forum and the reporting system is again a new topic in this forum, where many players gave up to write and not the niecest players left to stay and make it their own forum now.
I really ask myself whats your real reason to post against every single idea of prevent or avoid cheating in this game.
I was numbered the actuall options we've got...i explained why it's important to keep players to believe reporting makes sense and why many stop to believe in this reporting system and i explained my own motivation to write here very detailed too, told you why i think NGD cant be the "big brother" you might be looking for and why i think this thread is in the wrong forum. If you dont want to see all this i cant help you to do.
Raoh told us an other new option now how to handle cheaters and it sounds interesting so i thought about how it perhaps could be realized.

Originally Posted by Raoh

I say, take the Rockstar solution.

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/201...cheaters.shtml

Cheaters wont play against themselves, nor get anywhere.

From the Article
Anyone found to have used hacked saves, modded games, or other exploits to gain an unfair advantage in Max Payne 3 Multiplayer, or to circumvent the leaderboards will be quarantined from all other players into a "Cheaters Pool", where they'll only be able to compete in multiplayer matches with other confirmed miscreants. In the event we decide to absolve any of these cheaters for their past transgressions they may re-enter play with the general public, however a second offense will result in their indefinite banishment. In either case, we will be removing invalid leaderboard entries to ensure that the players at the top of the charts have earned their spots fairly.

Originally Posted by erttzzadfk

@Raoh: I'm really surprised to read something constructive in here. *
It's not the first time i'm talking about this topic and i never heard about this rockstar solution before. Sounds very interesting and could be an option to handle this topic.
I dont think there will be enough interest to get money for another server. But we've got the testserver Amun and players are needed to play there.
Perhaps it would be possible to put this "cheater pool" we are talking about there step by step.
Not every cheater is just using complete programs like c* e* or smth like that. Some are interested in coding too - so perhaps it would be a chance for a constructive and finally helpful contact between cheaters and developers too, while having enough players to test updates there without losing customers and i'm sure it would be fair too to replace these players from the "normal" ranking to an "own" ranking this way.
@NGD-Team: What do you think about this idea?

But you still go on to talk about your "witchhunt" plot..ignoring all the aspects that were already written in this thread. Asking questions that were answered before very detailed...it's simply destructive and starts to disturb now.

[Seher]

Originally Posted by erttzzadfk

But you still go on to talk about your "witchhunt" plot..

I go on about all potential issues and ask you to do the same for positive points, nothing else.

Originally Posted by erttzzadfk

But didnt you recognized all these players who left this game by being frustrated reporting and nothing was done in their eyes?

Players leave due to other reasons. You know, I’ve been playing this game, too. I’ve rarely been annoyed by cheating, I don’t know many players who are. I know a shitload of players though who are just pissed off because of the lack of balance. (Decision of NGD to focus on balance about as much as prostitutes on their virginity — well, their pigeon, and different topic)

Originally Posted by erttzzadfk

I really ask myself whats your real reason to post against every single idea of prevent or avoid cheating in this game.

They’re dumb. And even if they actually worked, it wouldn’t make that a huge difference to lose your head about.
Do you really think there’s an easy solution to cheating? A cute little idea someone like you could have that no company on this planet has had yet?

Originally Posted by erttzzadfk

i explained why it's important to keep players to believe reporting makes sense

No, you didn’t. Only idiots with an IQ well below room temperature start to believe that no one gets banned just because there is no information given out on those bans.

[erttzzadfk]

You're right, many players left this game by a well known release actuall, many left this game by invasion stuff, wm stuff, imbalance etc.
But tell me why i saw so many posts all the time (!) of frustrated players who posted videos, screens they made and sent to GMs. How often have you read the sentence "pfff make a screen. I dont care. Nothing will be done^^"?
How often have you read the sentence in forum "our publisher is doing nothing against these ******?" How often have you read the sentence "players who are spending more money for xims then others wont get sanctions"?
I read them all the time i'm playing this game now. All the time !
So where have you been??

I sent myself much material and didnt saw bans be done.
And it really sucks if you dont even get an answer why not.

So smile when you never get in touch with this topic in game but dont tell me all the time i'm wrong when i've got my own experiences.
Be happy you never met cheaters in game and when they all are directly banned if you'll ever meet one.

Go on calling this list a witchhunt - it helps me to see my reporting has an effect and its a step to transparency for me. Defend the players what ever they have done to be written there. Believe NGD will talk to gamesamba and make them delete it again, although NGD is working with steam and will have a hard position to find arguments. Go on - i really dont care. And i will not go on to tell you you're wrong to make you repeat it all the time. Have fun.

I'm more interested in some creative ideas like the one Raoh posted before.
So i'll split this idea out of here to an other thread and wish you all the best with your own witchhunt.

I still like Game Samba's ban list btw and can understand why it was made.
Hope you'll keep it !

PS: The last one out turns off the lights.

[Darcyeti]

I don't see the need of a ban list, where playernames/charnames are shown in puplic!

The community seems to be cut nearly in half about this list, even most german players (not the ones writing here more often) would like such a list.

There could be a ban list without any names, just telling the kind of ban and number of players banned "last month".
This kind of list would prevent most witchhunting but could spread more rumours about missing players. Someone being on vacation could be called banned without even knowing it.

But still this kind of list would do enough for clearing things up.
No personal datas being spread but still showing "we are reacting" without having problems concerning different laws in different countries.

Just a "short" thinking

[erttzzadfk]

They will close this thread soon, cause nobody cares.

PS: I just dont think it's right to make a witchhunt in a public forum against one of our publishers.
Perhaps you're GMs of Gamigo using this thread to tell everyone who doesnt want to hear how bad GameSamba is.
What ever, NGD shouldnt keep a thread against their own publisher running.
Btw there is no need to talk about it in public.
You can write emails to GameSamba instead of making a witchhunt here and make this forum becomes dark aged.

[Seher]

Originally Posted by erttzzadfk

But tell me why i saw so many posts all the time (!) of frustrated players who posted videos, screens they made and sent to GMs. How often have you read the sentence "pfff make a screen. I dont care. Nothing will be done^^"?
How often have you read the sentence in forum "our publisher is doing nothing against these ******?" How often have you read the sentence "players who are spending more money for xims then others wont get sanctions"?
I read them all the time i'm playing this game now. All the time !
So where have you been??

When I decide to play a bit, I prefer to PLAY. Meaning, I rather converse with those who want to play as well, and not those who’ve got nothing better to do than complaining about cheaters that I can’t see. :P
And forums don’t count anyway, especially the Gamigo ones, people just log on there to complain. Sure, just listening to the ones complaining all the time makes all problems sound more serious.

About … one time every 2 years?

Originally Posted by erttzzadfk

Go on calling this list a witchhunt - it helps me to see my reporting has an effect

Then you are just dumb. A published list changes nothing at all to their bans. You should know that they ban exactly the same amount of players no matter if they did or didn’t tell you what they did. Why would you still want that list? I don’t think you really are that dumb.

Originally Posted by erttzzadfk

I sent myself much material and didnt saw bans be done.
And it really sucks if you dont even get an answer why not.

Thought so. This is your actual reason. You want someone to be banned, due to whatever reason it was decided that your material wasn’t enough (you know, stuff can be faked, too), and you want to know why. Well, if you just wanted to give them information and let them do their job (it is THEIR job to decide who to ban when and for how long!), you wouldn’t want to. You know your stuff got rejected, that’s everything you need to know. What you want to do is to openly discuss bans, make them revise their decisions, that’s even more of a no go.

Originally Posted by erttzzadfk

witchhunt witchhunt witchhunt witchhunt

Didn’t you notice that I said a bit more than that, or don’t you want to notice?

[erttzzadfk]

I only said it's not the right way to make a witchhunt on our publishers here.
It cant be that hard to understand. You have to be totally dumb if you dont get this.
That's not right and i cant and wont stop to tell you you're on the wrong way by making this forum dark aged this way.

Write emails to GameSamba. Did you?

edit: If you dont like your own word "witchhunt" anymore:
It's ridiculous to cry that cheater's characters would be discredited by a banlist while discrediting GameSamba in this thread this way.
That's a shizophrenic philosopy and shouldn't be tolerated in here.

[GreenAngel]

I think that GS should delete that list, it's no use saying what players have been banned, mostly they don't use their main character or they are stuck somewhere without they even realise it, they get banned and the next day everyone knows you "cheat" while you don't.

@erttzzadfk

If other companies make a banlist, should we do the same? If 20 people jump off a bridge, should we do the same?