Where has team-play gone?

[Miriya_PS]

Originally Posted by gph

From my very small conjuror experience, supporting a party is very efficient to level up. Heal, buff, and mana gives lots of EXP to me.

It might be good, but you go faster and you do not depend on finding good partners being a Warjurer. And you can also level in party (I use Summon, Life, Staff Mastery, Mana and Sorcery, but I can not specialize on Support as I would like).
And as I said supporting a party it is the only way I found to level as Support. But to support a party you need a party willing to be supported. If you support one player only, will not get half you will get leveling by yourself.

I got tired of reseting my spells every time I could not find some decent allies to level. Maybe is because of the time of the day I play, but half of the time I can not find people that want to level WITH me, sharing EXP.

I do not want to make this a thread about conjurers, but the things I said I think are some of the reasons why there are more Warjurers now.

PS: I should take some pictures from people asking me not to help or accusing me of stealing EXP. But the thread about /Ignore_Buffs command to prevent "EXP stealing" actually exists.

[LenaRosemberg]

According to my little experience in lvling a conj in inner realm, efficient ways are
_full support in a huge party.
_support/zarkit/staff mastery with a least one range class in a small party
_full mana and life support to a marks with zarkit/SM.
_zarkit/SM with another zarkit/SM conj.

Some people are really happy to lvl up with conjs (or at least with me ) but some are just stupid.

I know lot of conjs are too much warju and not enougth support. But that's not a reason to yell at them in game, saying that nobody is healing, begging for mana and stuff. It happened once at Stone, I was full support, healing spells, DI and mana com' always in cooldown, doing some sancs to go healing the warriors at the door and about a half dozen people yelled against conj. Guess what I've done ? /ignore.
By the way, giving mana is not as easy as giving life. There is no 'V' mode for mana And once you start giving mana, you start having mana issues too (at least when you're "low" lvl). And if you're low lvl (with something like 19 life, 15 staff mastery, 15 sorcery), you don't have steal skin and it's harder to go near warriors so they're in mana com range. (And steal skin doesn't protect you from marks).

Speaking about marks, I don't see the point in saying "I'm gonna DS X". Because DS is such a visual spell you really can't miss it. And marks have a really nice local area so it's sad to stay 25+m away from front line 24/7.

[G40st]

From a conjurers point of view:

- In a fort fight, the ones that gets most rewarded is the one that spam the most areas, more areas = more rp.
I have conducted alot of tests to verify this and all i can say is that with only using areas and the occasional heal ally i get sometimes 2 times more rp from a fight then i would by using only heal ally and regen ally and the occasional area.

- Most people are going warjurer because its the only way they know how to play, you can't level as support anymore (well you can but its not worth it compared to going warjurer), The amount of XP you get from heals and passing mana is total bs. So many conjurers go warjurer and then doesn't know how to heal and then people complain.

- Worst thing i HATE, yes i used the word hate, is people demanding health and mana from me. I will heal who ever i see needs it and since heal ally has a 10 sec cooldown i can't use it all the time.

- And yes, there is alot less teamwork in some realms lately but in Ignis i think its going along just fine, maybe the areas needs some more coordinating but they work just fine at the fort door

[makarios68]

I know a lv 50 support healer who recently spent over an hour from start to finish supporting others to kill the dragon.

Just before the dragon died he got killed himself, and he returned just as the dragon died.

He got nothing - no xp, no gold, no gems.

The rewards for support healers must be increased/fixed.

EDIT: (and to the point of the thread) - i agree with comp that Alsius teamplay has left a lot to be desired lately.

However, you must be careful about stating as a matter of fact that a certain class must be played in only one way.

For example: yes, it can be annoying when you feel you aren't getting heals and buffs from support classes (namely, conjurers and knights) - however, these classes can be fun to play as attacking classes too. These classes were designed deliberately to be either defense or attack.

So if someone decides to play one of these classes for attack, it is their choice, and however annoying this might be, we must respect the right of people to play their chars as they wish.

IMO Alsius' main problems are twofold atm:

1. Realm imbalance: we are almost always outgunned.
2. Lack of attacking co-ordination: i am forever seeing our army trickle into an attack, instead of properly regrouping for a more effective and co-ordinated attack.

[Znurre]

Originally Posted by makarios68

I know a lv 50 support healer who recently spent over an hour from start to finish supporting others to kill the dragon.

Just before the dragon died he got killed himself, and he returned just as the dragon died.

He got nothing - no xp, no gold, no gems.

This is the same for every class... it sucks.

[Jedi-x]

I have to totally agree with Comp, Wudy, Znurre and the others from Alsius..... Our realm has seemed to loose the whole concept of teamplay. The last few fort fights I've attended, have been a total "noobfest", and I've spent most of my time back at the alter. It is a simple thing to remember, CO-ORDINATION ...... I always save my areas to follow teammates area, not only does it help to diminish an enemy army, MOST of the time it isn't evaded near as much, and the area spell is almost a total success. It gets very frustrating, and lately hasn't been worth my time and effort to help, as I seem to be giving away RP's instead of really doing anything to help destroy an enemy army. Like Comp, Wudy, Znurre and others I myself have been playing for some time now, and remember the time when Alsius was outgunned as we are now, but we usually came out on top of the fight, due to organization. Granted, as in the other realms, we are starting to see newer and younger players coming to the fort battles, but it just seems that they don't have the "team" in mind when they fight, they are only out for the elusive RP.
I long for the days of old ........ we were a small army, but a force to be rekon'd with.

Just my 2 cents.

[Lycra]

Reason because you don't have any conjus, but tons of warjus is because hunters of Alsius don't works there job. To be a hunter is not only hunting in syrtis and Ignis parts of wz but it is all so protecting your part of WZ and all allies in it.

[Jedi-x]

Maybe some of the hunters you know are that way, some of us do primarily just that. My hunter is parked for the purpose of protecting leveling newer realmmates. Some of us hunters, spend all our time patrolling our own lands, and not the other realms, I even try to protect those leveling near me when on my other characters. Just yesterday, I was killed trying to protect a conjurer, without any heals mind you, when I was almost dead to begin with.
It must be this way, during certain times of the day, but this is not the case during the time of day I play. I always see our Hunters, at least the higher level ones, patrolling our lands.

Good day

[Angelwinged_Devil]

Originally Posted by gph

From my very small conjuror experience, supporting a party is very efficient to level up. Heal, buff, and mana gives lots of EXP to me.

yep this is true, it does give a lot of xp, not only to the conjurer but it helps the total grp xp too

[makarios68]

Originally Posted by Lycra

Reason because you don't have any conjus, but tons of warjus is because hunters of Alsius don't works there job. To be a hunter is not only hunting in syrtis and Ignis parts of wz but it is all so protecting your part of WZ and all allies in it.

Myself and my clan spend most of our time doing exactly that: patrolling the Alsius saves and main gate and killing enemy hunters and hunting parties.

I wish there were more of us, to tackle the bigger Syrtis hunting parties that frequently scavenge RP's around Trell save.