Why I think Realm Balance on Horus is a bigger problem than class balance.

[ieti]

Hey we are not so bad! Stop making us look bad. We are nice guys and gals

[Pnarpa]

I torture small children.

[Greyman_tle]

Originally Posted by Blaa

I torture small children.

Dwarves....they're called Dwarves

[Pnarpa]

Originally Posted by Greyman_tle

Dwarves....they're called Dwarves

Next thing you're telling me those tall, bipedal, talking creatures with horns aren't mutated goats.

[Gytha_Ogg]

Originally Posted by Blaa

Next thing you're telling me those tall, bipedal, talking creatures with horns aren't mutated goats.

No, that was Louis Armstrong and Dizzy Gillespie.

[BigManOnCampus]

Originally Posted by Truewar

...Players who loved that realm and tried to make it strong are disappointed. That was me and I will not play in alsius anymore (atleast because I don`t have any chars there). That was Ultimate who left few days ago.

What's all this talk of Ultimate quitting? I still see him on.

...That is not NGD`s fault. That is not even gameplay or ballance issues (Atleast because Ignis and Syrtis population is growing).

That is because of you, Alsius players.

?? I can't begin to understand why you think this. Alsius has *always* been the underdog realm on Horus in terms of numbers. The fact that it has nearly always been impossible to make headway and actually threaten the other realms in any fashion is about as discouraging as it gets.

[NotScias]

Originally Posted by BigManOnCampus

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LOL I didn't realise that my fake 6 people clan (2 people plus my alts) was #6 of Syrtis Horus

Anyways I don't really see the point of these comparisons, there's too many factors that can mess it up (already said above), plus you included a fake and non-recruiting clan

[_Arwen_]

Originally Posted by VandaMan

The points about alts and inactive players are pretty useless, since all realms have people with alts and inactive players. All realms also have people who move from other realms, and perhaps alsius has more, but not significantly so.

Originally Posted by BigManOnCampus

Indeed, my clan is listed as having 18 characters. The most *people* you'll *ever* see online is 3. This is not unique to Syrtis.



That's quite a stretch, imo. First, clans in Alsius have a lot of old-time players with alternates who have quit the game creating the same inflation in their numbers. Second, I don't see as many people in Alsius realm chat anymore speaking about starting over in Alsius. About 3-4 months ago you might have had a point about alternates from other realms, not anymore. The flow of realm-jumpers stopped. In fact, many of the higher-profile realm-switchers gave up and no longer play (in Alsius anyway).

Admittedly, the numbers I pulled from are not explicit in what they point to because they do not reflect real population. If you divide by 6 to take out alternates, you'll still get the same ratio between the realms. If you subtract older characters no longer played, you'll have some from every realm who get subtracted. And just from spending time in Alsius realm chat I can tell you that we're not getting many new other-realm alternates, or if we are, they are not mentioning it anymore. I think the numbers while inaccurate for population, do a reasonable job reflecting the imbalance between the realms. Whats interesting to note is how balanced RA comes out while using these same numbers.

You both missed my point completely and its probably my fault. Let me put it this way. A person plays in Ignis for 6 months and gets 2 characters to level 50. He then moves to Alsius where he starts all over again and gets 2 50s again. At the same time, 1 person in Syrtis stays with the realm for 1 full year and now has 4 level 50s in a Syrtis clan. Would you disagree that both these players are just as active as the other? Yet one shows up as 4 characters in 1 clan, but the other only shows up as 2. I hope that clears things up a bit...



Van, you assume I'm picking on one realm. I'm not, just because I use my clan as an example (which I only use because I know it best) I am not saying it only happens in Syrtis. I was merely using it as an example to show how those numbers don't show much. You can't assume the numbers balance out.


If there was a way to get a number of Unique accounts per clan that would be a much better number (even though people use multiple accounts, at least it more accurate).

[Windrium]

Originally Posted by BigManOnCampus

Indeed, my clan is listed as having 18 characters. The most *people* you'll *ever* see online is 3. This is not unique to Syrtis.

Jerek! How dare you badmouth your clan! :P First, technically you might see 4 of us, but HairyBeast does log on so very, very rarely... once every month, two, or three. Second, we may only have 18 characters for us 3 actual (primary) players, but we are ranked reasonably well in everything for Horus/Alsius. :P

OK, go back to leveling. (sorry, couldn't help but comment.)

[Gabburtjuh]

Originally Posted by _Arwen_

You both missed my point completely and its probably my fault. Let me put it this way. A person plays in Ignis/alsius for 6 months and gets 2 characters to level 50. He then moves to Syrtis where he starts all over again and gets 2 50s again. At the same time, 1 person in Alsius/ignis stays with the realm for 1 full year and now has 4 level 50s in a Alsius/ignis clan. Would you disagree that both these players are just as active as the other? Yet one shows up as 4 characters in 1 clan, but the other only shows up as 2. I hope that clears things up a bit...



Van, you assume I'm picking on one realm. I'm not, just because I use my clan as an example (which I only use because I know it best) I am not saying it only happens in Syrtis. I was merely using it as an example to show how those numbers don't show much. You can't assume the numbers balance out.


If there was a way to get a number of Unique accounts per clan that would be a much better number (even though people use multiple accounts, at least it more accurate).

Edits in red, now its way more plausible