animals dying

[Darcyeti]

I guess you didn't see the comparement. Dieing animals may be the first step. Mankind does so much harm to our planet, that in some time (who knows how long) the planet will "strike back". I don't think, our planet will be harmed irreparable, but I'm not sure if mankind will be as lucky as that. Those animals may be the first sign, that the "point of no return" is near. But that's just a very pessimistic way of looking into the future.

But you know, someone who things in a pessimistic way can only be suprised positivly.

[Pizdzius]

Originally Posted by Darcyeti

I guess you didn't see the comparement. Dieing animals may be the first step. Mankind does so much harm to our planet, that in some time (who knows how long) the planet will "strike back". I don't think, our planet will be harmed irreparable, but I'm not sure if mankind will be as lucky as that. Those animals may be the first sign, that the "point of no return" is near. But that's just a very pessimistic way of looking into the future.

But you know, someone who things in a pessimistic way can only be suprised positivly.

How can a planet strike back? It's just a massive object with gravity, inner and outer core, a tasty crust on which we live on, I don't get how a planet can strike back :P

First step to what? Mass human deaths? Wouldn't that be the case for thousands of years already? And don't we do that to ourselves, without "planet" help? :P

We don't harm our planet at all, I don't see where are you getting at :P
Those mass deaths have nothing to do with "us". From what I see you have no idea that Canada is being devastated by overgrowing forests. "Climate change" is nothing right now, in late Medieval times, Greenland was GREEN. That's where it got its name. You could've actually grow lemons there. A bit later there was this mini Ice Age when Baltic was so frozen you could actually travel from Poland to Sweden on horse, with multiple little villages in the middle, with inns ran by Jews who got quite rich on that.

So yeah, I don't think it's us.

[w_larsen]

well, i can assure you, that we arent experiencing more magnetic effects, than usualy, when suns activity picks up. there wasnt any major geomagnetic storms at 31rd or 1st. (data: haarp magnetometer, but there are privately operated ones, if you don't trust government facility)

the magnetic storm theory fails to explain, why carrington flare didnt wipe out birds as we know it, as geomagnetic storms effects were very pronounced at time

by the way differnt layers of atmosphere can move differently. i have observerd clouds in different attitudes moving in opposite directions, so i assume that high attitude hail cloud could just stay in one spot.

How can a planet strike back? It's just a massive object with gravity, inner and outer core, a tasty crust on which we live on, I don't get how a planet can strike back :P

a manner of speech, i assume. ecosystem on earth is part of the planet. ilnesses and stuff like that is known to be natural regulating mechanism for population control.

[Cuchulainn]

Here is a comprehensive map which lists mass animal deaths. Wow a lot mass deaths of animals

Those mass deaths have nothing to do with "us".

scientific explanations can not give us a reasonable explanation yet, right? So we don't know it yet...
That we are the biggest threat for any other species on the planet is a fact.

[Pizdzius]

Originally Posted by Cuchulainn

That we are the biggest threat for any other species on the planet is a fact.

Oh that, yes! But, according to chronicles, mass deaths of animals occured in 17th and 18th century as well, so I doubt it's us.

[DemonMonger]

Originally Posted by Pizdzius

http://www.todaysthv.com/news/local/...1&provider=top

watch the video, too

I don't know what's happening, is it "haarp", or just some magnetic field changes, or some other anomalies, 40.000 crabs washed on the shore, millions of ONE type of fish on the shore, thousands of birds falling from the sky and dropping dead, all over the world, China, Sweden, Australia, Italy, USA, England.

I wonder what could it be, I won't believe they'll blame it on Gulf Spill or another weird flu. That'd be crap :P What do you guys think? Pure curiosity. And I worry about little birds.

hey piz,

Glad to hear you know about harp

I posted a link with several informative videos on this matter in the Inn enjoy!
http://www.regnumonline.com.ar/forum...ad.php?t=71175

It's not harp or the birds would be cooked.
It's not another flu.
It's not from the gulf spill.
It's not from any disease in the birds brains.
It's not hail..

Hope this link can clear up what you see in your link on radar
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vyVe-6YdUk - just watch

[Kyrottimus]

Looking at the mid-Atlantic rift zone, 4 major continental plates, The American Plates on the West, and the European/African plates on the east, are spreading slowly, up to a few inches a year.

With this, we have sort of a calender looking at the basalt (igneous rock layer) at the sea floor. In this basalt, there are solidified iron particles that rose with the magma/lava and cooled with magnetic orientation (usually north) in the rock, showing that ever 500,000-600,000 years or so, our magnetic poles (the positive/negative ends) switch completely.

There is a period between where there is magnetic chaos, and could be multiple "dancing" poles around the planet until our poles stabilize. If our planet has a weak or chaotic, malformed magnetosphere, we can receive upwards of 10 times the stellar/solar radiation upon the surface. This time-line of ~600,000 years or so coincides with approximate periods of mass-extinctions, and also fits nicely between a few of the last ice-ages.

There is much conjecture that the sun's magnetic field (which has its own 11 year cycle and a more significant 600,000 year magnetic cycle) will reach its end sometime within the next ten years.

In the end, there are more missing puzzle pieces than complete ones. But yeah, many migratory birds use our magnetic field to navigate...if it's weakening, it could cause acute shock in their sensitive brains which might account for their mass deaths.

As for the fish? No clue.

[Pizdzius]

DM, that's just a little bit too much ;]
I was just wondering if it's the physics force we don't know yet or maybe you guys have some answers already, but eh I don't even have time to watch all this ufo thing. Well if WE were to visit another planet, there would be NO sense in killing millions of creatures living there, specially the ones like crabs or fish, or birds :P not to mention intelligent life

I may or may not believe in aliens, that's my business and I won't go around forums telling what I think about disclosures or stuff like that. I don't think UFO has anything to do with it.

and I bet in 2013 everyone will be like "yeah right 2012 doomsday fail, boring year we still don't have jetpacks" like we are now, after people screamed so much about planet X appearing in 2010 and also the Rapture in November last year :P

Also: I can't watch most videos, DM. They're blocked in Poland ;]

[Pizdzius]

Originally Posted by Kyrottimus

In the end, there are more missing puzzle pieces than complete ones. But yeah, many migratory birds use our magnetic field to navigate...if it's weakening, it could cause acute shock in their sensitive brains which might account for their mass deaths.

As for the fish? No clue.

I do agree about some what you said, but the magnetic field change won't really stop protecting us from sun wind and radiation, it will just be very chaotic and bouncy, like it was eons ago.
Birds use their sensors in beaks to migrate, but half of those birds aren't migrating ones, they don't use magnetic field to navigate. And I really do believe the magnetic field is changing constantly, always, but few degrees a year tops.

[DemonMonger]

Originally Posted by Pizdzius

DM, that's just a little bit too much ;]
I was just wondering if it's the physics force we don't know yet or maybe you guys have some answers already, but eh I don't even have time to watch all this ufo thing. Well if WE were to visit another planet, there would be NO sense in killing millions of creatures living there, specially the ones like crabs or fish, or birds :P not to mention intelligent life

I may or may not believe in aliens, that's my business and I won't go around forums telling what I think about disclosures or stuff like that. I don't think UFO has anything to do with it.

and I bet in 2013 everyone will be like "yeah right 2012 doomsday fail, boring year we still don't have jetpacks" like we are now, after people screamed so much about planet X appearing in 2010 and also the Rapture in November last year :P

Also: I can't watch most videos, DM. They're blocked in Poland ;]

just putting out possible answers
and no 2012 is not the end of everything.....
I would never ask you to take my links as true 100% ... I just ask that if you have time watch and consider... the possible options