And people wonder why Alsius isn't as active in the WZ?

[w_larsen]

for one, getting capturable forts back, would give some "target" - milestone to accomplish. many players/humans/androids are driven by "targets" to reach. in this case it would be getting enemies out of aggersborg. in case of oc/market camping parties, its bit harder, because you don't have clear target to reach. when you have dealt with situation? when last fleeing runner crosses bridge? when he merges with the zerg coming back and you get killed? when you realise, that he or she is on maxspeed and you wont be able to reach him/her?

but adressing wes "the real question", i think that alsians are kind of assuming role of being oppressed. perhaps like the woman, who get beaten up by their partners, but still live with them. as time passes this model is harder and harder to break out of and new people get "adjusted" to it even unwillingly.
now even with all the growth we are experienceing, its hard to shift from this model "we are underpopulated", and there is not so many "we are awesome at this" things that can be done in ro world.

[_Seinvan]

Originally Posted by Wes_

The new invasion mechanics actually make it easier for underpopulated(and yes, I'm even giving you this word although I use it quite loosely) realms to defend against an attack. There are so many more ways for the few to make a stand against an invading zerg than there ever were in the old invasion mechanics.
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Why doesn't Alsius like to war?

Not that I'm going to disagree with you on the first part, but just saying that right now it's impossible to go on the offense aside from going to Meni/Alga (which we get shit about anyway, which is stupid) because our wz is trampled on by enemies. Once they're dead they show up 5 minutes later at the same location. There's no way to make a (decent) counter-offensive at this time due to the combination of fort immunity and these crap quests that encourage such unsportsmanlike behavior from both realms.

As to why Alsius doesn't like to war.. I've been asking myself the same question. It seems we need the right people on if we want to have a good fight.. but otherwise (save/market camping aside) it's just us being beaten into submission via Aggs. I do believe everyone's had this underpopulation mentality for a while but we're not so underpopulated anymore. It's just quite a few of our players have no idea what they're doing half the time in war..

Originally Posted by Lostican

As much as I'd like to argue with Wes, I cannot. Over 2 hours last night and no forts were taken by Alsius. I hate save camping, I think its lame and causes folks being camped to rage-quit and not have fun.
so why do you camp our save/market..? give your syrtis friends a thought and say "lets kill some ignis instead of farming alsius at their save"

But, what am I suppose to do? I go walking around Alsius looking for quest kills, but can't find anyone. When I do, your all grouped up together and just zerg me.
the grouping together is part of the whole "war" thing. that, and we're at our save.

So, I finally follow a group to the save....just to see 15 Alsius defending the alter??? I don't get this?
I don't get this either

Why don't you just rez at the gate?
because the fight is at the save. abandoning your allies is shitty. even if someone told everyone to 'rez at gate' no one would listen :\ alsius needs someone that everyone will listen to.

Why don't you just regroup somewhere else, go take a fort and laugh at us as we stand by your alter with nothing to do???
we've been trying.

Why?? For the love of all things good....do you kill us elfs, when we are trying to help you at YOUR save.,,,,,Yes....There are actualy some of us in Sytris that just love to go back-stab Ignis at the Alsius save. Yet, most of the time...I see goats attacking us along side the pigs.
while there may be some of you willing to help us (Cannas.. ) the fact is most of you are out to get us. also, enemies are enemies; not friends. if you want to help that's fine, but don't turn around and start hitting us once you're done helping, that's shitty. plus, everyone just has to get that laptop, so you need to kill us too.

Same for when Ignis tries to invade Alsius. Many of us in Syrtis try to go and help Alsius. Not because we have some kind of love for goat cheese, but because we just don't wanna see Ignis invade AGAIN.
see above. it's not that we don't accept your help, it's just that some of us don't realize you're helping.

Yet everytime...I get Alsius ignoring pigs to come kill us.
once again, enemies; not friends.

I don't mean to troll this thread or change what its about. I agree Alsius needs help with more players. But if you don't want to be save camped....

capture MORE forts.....
we've been trying.

Hunt MORE often.....
we've been trying.

Camp bridges....
we've been trying.

Camp our main gates....
shitty way to play.

Watch what the other two realms do...and base your strategy off of war results. (if Ignis goes Herb, camp PB) (If elves go Samal, camp PB)
we've been trying.

I have seen some Alsius doing things like this...

go join them...

responses in yellow.

[isgandarli]

Originally Posted by _Seinvan

It's just quite a few of our players have no idea what they're doing half the time in war..

Bingo!

[Lostican]

Originally Posted by _Seinvan

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Wow, that is a lot to respond too. So I just touch on main points. I did say SOME alsius were doing those tatics. Perhaps you are one of them.

I totally think it crappy as hell having these immune forts. I see many folks making "i quit" threads. This makes me want to help Alsius, just for the simple fact I do not want you all quitting. I think its fun fighting the other two realms regardless of what tatics they use. We elves will always find a way to play too.

I guess as far as coming to help at save, then after Ignis is dead we attack you....you got me there. You think its crappy, but I know if we just turned and ran, there would be several noobs chasing us and killing us off 1 by 1.

My main point however stands true. You are getting camped because you don't take enough forts and folks are just trying to get quests done and make war.

I have played many times when both Ignis and Alsius had us outnumbered badly. We just grouped up and turned to "hit and run" tatics and bridge camping to compensate for the lack of allies.

I applaud all Alsius who keep playing...it truley shows your dedication.

[Anyriand]

Originally Posted by Wes_

So, in conclusion, I'd like to hijack this thread and raise the real question: Why doesn't Alsius like to war?

Will you ppl give it a rest already??? We spent the whole day yesterday at meni and shaan...and the same goes for the past 4 or 5 days. I manage to complete the wm quests every single day just by war.

The 8 ppl the 30 of you were farming at the save like to war too, otherwise we wouldn't have tried to kill you...

[bois]

I think you guys are trying. I saw last evening (my time) a band of Alsius moving from fort to fort and making a nuisance of themselves there and at bridges.
I was quite heartened by this and applaud the effort even though the army was more a mercenary size than a zerg type. Still, I think it should be mentioned as a positive step.Importantly, that group was effective. Hopefully, this would encourage some of the other junior members of the realm (who have a lot of heart and determination in my view) to press forward with the senior ones that are making an effort.

Hopefully you can keep it going and grow a cohesive army to wreak havoc in multiple time zones.

Best of luck guys, we need an active and strong Alsius to make this thing work.

Art.

[Kitsuni]

Originally Posted by bois

I think you guys are trying. I saw last evening (my time) a band of Alsius moving from fort to fort and making a nuisance of themselves there and at bridges.
I was quite heartened by this and applaud the effort even though the army was more a mercenary size than a zerg type. Still, I think it should be mentioned as a positive step.Importantly, that group was effective. Hopefully, this would encourage some of the other junior members of the realm (who have a lot of heart and determination in my view) to press forward with the senior ones that are making an effort.

Hopefully you can keep it going and grow a cohesive army to wreak havoc in multiple time zones.

Best of luck guys, we need an active and strong Alsius to make this thing work.

Art.

What makes you think we ever stopped trying? Perhaps other realms just can't ever see it because they mistake it for their everyday affairs that they consider normal. This was not some one-off event, the problem is Ignis and Syrtis never seem to be able to see that, they never take a step over to the other side of the fence to see how we have to handle things. There is nothing to grow, Artec, we are still losing numbers badly everyday and the players that you still see attempting to make a difference are mostly only the hardcore Alsius players who are left over. Usually the same groups that tend to be in mumble, etc. But that shouldn't be confused for the health of a realm, such thinking is dangerous.

You can build the most hardcore group of ten people but it doesn't mean you'll win against the regular 20 or 30 enemies.

[VandaMan]

Originally Posted by Kitsunie

What makes you think we ever stopped trying? Perhaps other realms just can't ever see it because they mistake it for their everyday affairs that they consider normal. This was not some one-off event, the problem is Ignis and Syrtis never seem to be able to see that,

I think many of us, Artec included, have a much firmer grasp on what is "everyday affairs" or "normal" in Horus than you do.

Originally Posted by Kitsunie

they never take a step over to the other side of the fence to see how we have to handle things.

Actually quite a few have, myself included.

Originally Posted by Kitsunie

There is nothing to grow, Artec, we are still losing numbers badly everyday

No you are not.

Originally Posted by Kitsunie

You can build the most hardcore group of ten people but it doesn't mean you'll win against the regular 20 or 30 enemies.

It doesn't mean you won't either.

[Gabburtjuh]

Van, could you please just fuck off from alsius population related topics? If you check the forum you'd see we lost knekel, jacque, immune, ultimate, klutu(temp though), and I know a few others, ARES, ellokeim, healerous....

[VandaMan]

Originally Posted by Gabburtjuh

Van, could you please just fuck off from alsius population related topics? If you check the forum you'd see we lost knekel, jacque, immune, ultimate, klutu(temp though), and I know a few others, ARES, ellokeim, healerous....

7 people does not amount to "losing numbers badly every day." Not to mention most of the 7 people you listed have already been gone for a long time, have "quit" more than once, or in Klutu's case just announced they are returning.

More often than not I don't talk about your population, but your character. Alsius as a realm is their own greatest enemy, not numbers, not the distance to enemy castles, not grinder gankers or save campers. There have been similar situations for both your realm and others in the past, and the only difference is the amount of crying on the forum. People come, people go, numbers change. Man the fuck up and just play the game.