[Hunter class] What is the plan ?

[Zas_]

Originally Posted by Seher

Everything about this topic has already been said. It's now up to NGD to do something. (And I hope it won't just be a dirty fix)

Yes, the goal of this thread is to have NGD's vision about hunter class and a roadmap of future changes for it.
Players ideas, suggestions or advices are useless here, only one thing is counting: ngd's plan, if any...

[Kitsuni]

Somehow I wonder if NGD thinks small changes like giving Hunters Confuse are supposed to fix the class... This spell is still OP (most players can be killed in those 22secs on level 5) and Hunters shouldn't have to rely on it. Could you imagine if the Warlock had to rely on Darkness, or if warriors could do nothing without MS? It's a rediculous situation that needs to be rectified, not design a whole class around a single spell, and that's exactly where we are at right now.

Hunter = crappy Marksman with Confuse

[HidraA]

Originally Posted by Shining-Scias

In the other hand, Marks have damage AND defense AND range PLUS evasion and tricks from the shared trees, isn't it too much for an offensive class ?

Another BIAS based post by Thiath (TM)...even i don't play marksman anymore and i play warlock....you forgot that hunter has same defence vs mele as a hunter.
About dmg i think you kidding ,yes he has dmg but vs mages and a bit better that hunters but 120-200 on barbarians 60-90 on knights(with normal hits)....awesome dmg....the only good think left is that serpent bite/ethereal arow.

Balance of damage dealed by mages/archers/warriors was bricked once with armor fixes...anyway looking forword for that 15% spell for warmasters...i wonder if barbs will be near 3K dmg criticals....

[Seher]

Originally Posted by HidraA

you forgot that hunter has same defence vs mele as a hunter.

2/3 of the classes are no warriors.

Originally Posted by HidraA

About dmg i think you kidding ,yes he has dmg but vs mages and a bit better that hunters but 120-200 on barbarians

50-100 in case of a hunter

Originally Posted by HidraA

60-90 on knights(with normal hits)

10-30 for hunters.

Originally Posted by HidraA

....awesome dmg

Even more awesome for hunters.

[HidraA]

Originally Posted by Seher

2/3 of the classes are no warriors.

There is no advantage vs warlock spells too...dots are fixed for all classes/marksman has no dmg resists vs dots.

Indeed poor dmg by hunters....

http://fulga.u-s.ro/fotos/hunters_dmg.png


Oh poor 700 ensare,oh porr 550 ensnare....oh poor Cold-Blood.....

http://fulga.u-s.ro/fotos/hunters_dmg2.png

Hunters complaint only because are not anymore God_mod_on class,scaring war zone with camo+confuse 5+ troll that made 500 normals fast hits....

The only think is all complaining about UBER defence....of marksman...the think is that bonus of +30% is applyed vs archers...and not vs other classes....

Bleah wtv i am tired to see stupid complaints BIAS based...people see only when they have troble ,but when they own others no....

[Latan]

Originally Posted by HidraA

There is no advantage vs warlock spells too...dots are fixed for all classes/marksman has no dmg resists vs dots.

LOLWUT?
strategic works against EVERY ranged spell except for vampirism, soulkeeper and evendim's fury

[NSer]

Originally Posted by Latan

LOLWUT?
strategic works against EVERY ranged spell except for vampirism, soulkeeper and evendim's fury

And mana burn seems

[NSer]

Originally Posted by HidraA

There is no advantage vs warlock spells too...dots are fixed for all classes/marksman has no dmg resists vs dots.

Indeed poor dmg by hunters....

http://fulga.u-s.ro/fotos/hunters_dmg.png


Oh poor 700 ensare,oh porr 550 ensnare....oh poor Cold-Blood.....

http://fulga.u-s.ro/fotos/hunters_dmg2.png

Hunters complaint only because are not anymore God_mod_on class,scaring war zone with camo+confuse 5+ troll that made 500 normals fast hits.... P.S. can';t load image so guess it's ur marx If it's lock than those hunters sucks

The only think is all complaining about UBER defence....of marksman...the think is that bonus of +30% is applyed vs archers...and not vs other classes....

Bleah wtv i am tired to see stupid complaints BIAS based...people see only when they have troble ,but when they own others no....

ehm..... Dude or ur armor sucks or what but in this game NO hunters which can make on my marx for example over 500 enshare with cold blood(in term of me full buffed)

[HidraA]

Originally Posted by NSer

ehm..... Dude or ur armor sucks or what but in this game NO hunters which can make on my marx for example over 500 enshare with cold blood(in term of me full buffed)

For that exist camo+confuse+SS :P the advantage that have a hunter to spot a marksman when his bufs are down and prevent him to buff and even to cut his defense at 50%.

The fact is hunters refuse to accept they have tricks and advantage to be invisible and attack when a target is low hp/bufs are on cd,etc etc...they want to be fighters as other classes.

Till NGD will not define what means hunters assassins or scout....i realy dont know what to say...but defense complaints looks stupid for me,and more bias than calculated.

Ok lets say wee give strategic to hunters ...and after what?....
Hunters will have best defense?..warlocks or marksman will complaint about hunters that come out from camo with uber defense and wile any target is confused cant hit with more than 90 dmg on a hunter allrady buffed wile any target is allrady SS-ed....

Please more brain before just nerf and cut a class...that 90% of ppl hate that...

Maybe giving more spells to hunter is better idea ...duno....but passing random spells to other class....from my point is not a solution at all...seems people tend to make any think to nerf marks with no brain and after a few months to come back and complaint about other class....

Be more constructive ...very disapointed how old player just think like this...maybe because they play only a few classes from begin....i realy dont know ..or marksman stay on they road to god_mod_on..wtv...

I realy don't have seen any real solution,just because hunters is worst class to play ,nerf other class...hmm how about to improve with some interesting spells?...huh?even you nerf marks...warlocks and barbarians will stay like this....even better maybe with new 15% boost...huh? near 3k crits maybe soon from barbs side....giiving strategic to hunters ...wil defend them from warriors?...will defend them from warlock?....i don't think so....

Originally Posted by Scias

Other offensive classes have null or relatively much smaller defense than defensive ones, why should Marks escape this rule ?

Indeed....30% passive for barbarians +20% frenzy...+caution....yeah indeed damn small defence....2k+ crits dmg vs mages..poor offensive classes... =)))))))))

Originally Posted by Scias

wtf are Marks doing with the evasion tree

Lmao Thiath you are umasing =))))))))))) you made me to laught a lots..... so 0% defense vs melle after? only that 30% vs archers? ..... wuahahahhahahaha sorry Thiath ..but worst think that i ever heard from your side....maybe since you play warlock is SOTW that frustrate you...be more carful what you say there

[UmarilsStillHere]

This isn't meant to be another argument thread... Sigh.

Marks are better than Hunters in pretty much every way, that's idiotic. Hunters need some love, they have poor offence and poor defense Marks need to pick a roll and stick to it, not have both good offence and good defense.

Barbs defense is good, if you can afford to spring a ton of points on all your defense passives, and frenzy, and caution, and even then caution is the only one that has any effect on elemental damage.

Barb offence is better than knight offence, as it should be.
Knight defense is better than barb defense, as it should be.
Warlock offence is better than conju offence, as it should be
Conju defense is better than warlock defense, as it should be.
Marks offence is better than hunter offence, as it should be.
Hunter defense is worse than marks defense, wait what?

Can argue all day about if x class should have more of less defense/offence than another class from another pairing, but the archer pairing is broken, that needs to be dealt with before we mess around with other things.

It could be changed through giving Hunters new spells, wider CCs, better support, and so on, but if the marks still has better defense it still doesn't fit the subclass trend. So we can see Hunters with better defense than marks currently have, or we can see marks take a defense cut joined with a hunter buff. I'd rather see the latter because frankly the thought of any ranger with stronger defense than a marksman already has is scary.