Marskman Overpowerd!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[valterbla]

Originally Posted by CumeriTarenes

Look here again: http://www.regnumonline.com.ar/forum...8&d=1196729045


That was about 1000dmg without death sentence on a knight, you were hit with about 1500dmg with death sentence (ranged dmg+50%) So you had luck that it was only 1500dmg since you are no knight.

Stop to start discussions about the same issue again and again, please!

Again, did YOU looked the dmg I, a Barbarian did on the hunter?

[CumeriTarenes]

1. The marks used recharged arrow for sure, it is a kind of buff on the marksman that you don't see

2. You cannot compare your damage with the marks damage:
a) from the picture I see you use not a slow weapon, the marks used a slow bow for sure
b) the hunter maybe had some protection buffs, like acrobatic and/or evasive tactics. That protects a lot!
c) the marks maybe had a very good armor against your damage typ and you a very bad armor against his dmg typ

3. Stop comparing classes only on there skills. You also should deliberate the amount of hp and mana, the different qualities of armor, the specific resist and evade chances of the class and the hit and spell rates of the classes.
Just showing a pic that shows high dmg is not a proof to say a class is over or underpowered.
Since RO is a teamplay in the first line I recommend to go hunt together with that class that is overpowerd in your opinion to have an advantage.

[valterbla]

Originally Posted by CumeriTarenes

a) from the picture I see you use not a slow weapon, the marks used a slow bow for sure

Tcheeeeeee omg omg omg DDDDDD If you saw the pic, I think that the guy is on it got a Claymore, But now i have my memory kidda bad, is a Claymore for Barbarians Slow or faster?
I Really think is slow

[Anpu]

hope u realize its spell that did additional dmg which is desribed here too:
http://www.regnumzg.com.ar/index.php...ass=12&buscar=
and u can see that he has 36% possibility to add 60% more dmg. but still he cant kill u in 2 hits. grats to that marksman, my lethal strike never made such good dmg. guess its because i sacrified dexterity for smthg else
ah yes, barbarian, for SPELL, South cross, u have 80% posibility to hit 100% of dmg u can make. Now, calculate or just look your screenie, and see that u have double normal dmg than archer. Now, use calculator: for 200 mana u get 125% dmg bonus plus on 80% for 100% additional bonus dmg, and add on it that your dmg is twice higher than his (its normal, u re barb), so that means: 225% dmgx2(normal dmg is bigger twice) for 200 mana. how much dmg is it? over 2k? that means u need 2 hits to kill him, like i expirienced in arena fighting with one barb ( i think it was arthur or smthg). http://www.regnumzg.com.ar/index.php...ass=18&buscar=

now, lethal strike: adds some dmg which may make like your normal dmg (adds 100-135), 100% on it bonus, and only 36% chance for aditional 60% (!!!!!!) dmg, and 281 mana. so that means: boosts his normal attack like yours and add 160% dmg with less chance (36% against 80%).

wanna calculate with real numbers? np, i ll receive soon dmg of some lvl 50 barb and calculate it. Ah already sent me. It says: lvl 49 barb, stats from char window: 800-912.
my dmg is 236-279, lets take for example, my maxx dmg, 279. now,

Lethal strike: 279+ 135(lets take again max)=414. then: 100%=828, then for 36% chance, 60% more: that 249 dmg=>1077. dmg boosted with recharged arrows will give higher result, your armor ressistance on type of arrow attack, and death sentence, its ok. and for serpent bite, u re aware that it s ok dmg since u were death sentenced (usual combo).

South cross: 912+ 1140(125%)=2052. and for 80% (!!!!!!!!!!) chance, u get another 912 (100%)=>2964 without any boost like archers have "recharged arrows". lets even say its 2k dmg in real as it is.
your hp: 3757, my hp with amulet/rings: 3022
u ll make dmg for 80% chance 2964 which means i ll stay on 58. lets include my armor, still its two hits like i said.
my dmg to u for 36% chance is 1077, lets include recharged and say its about 1200 for example, or 1300, u will left on 2680, its not even half of your hp, including maybe armor, lets say 2580. my next hit with 300 wont harm u at all. So, marksman is really overpowered for u poor barbs? oh, i m sorry we cant afford u to kill us in one hit.
cant u realise that warriors are often marksman's nightmare in open filed? especially those poor barbs with little dmg that can kill u in 2 hits! think a little pal
i ll check also with barb from my clan and few other players who are barbs, dmg from stat window.

[Anpu]

oh during gathering those info and calculating, i didnt see your posts, new ones. now its really clear that u re whiing because u re mad that some1 kicked your ass and hit u twice lower as u can. i guess it was very unpleasant surprise for u that marksman can hit more than 300 dmg (1k )
guess u can continue crying, i wont discuss with u anymore. i just hope u re adult to realise, not 12 years old kid.


ok EDIT: did YOU know that MARKSMAN or HUNTEr have PROTECTIVE spells that BOOST armor and make YOUR BARBARAIAn GLORIUS AWESOME HEAVEN dmg much less? try me, i m volonteer

and grats for killing them, at last u started battles in game, not forums. and since u know everything, i ll point u that u re wrong, mages are way easier than warrior at least for marksman. and sure, u knew that marksman has lethal strike, not hunter, right?

ludak...

[valterbla]

Originally Posted by Anpu

hope u realize its spell that did additional dmg which is desribed here too:
http://www.regnumzg.com.ar/index.php...ass=12&buscar=
and u can see that he has 36% possibility to add 60% more dmg. but still he cant kill u in 2 hits. grats to that marksman, my lethal strike never made such good dmg. guess its because i sacrified dexterity for smthg else
ah yes, barbarian, for SPELL, South cross, u have 80% posibility to hit 100% of dmg u can make. Now, calculate or just look your screenie, and see that u have double normal dmg than archer. Now, use calculator: for 200 mana u get 125% dmg bonus plus on 80% for 100% additional bonus dmg, and add on it that your dmg is twice higher than his (its normal, u re barb), so that means: 225% dmgx2(normal dmg is bigger twice) for 200 mana. how much dmg is it? over 2k? that means u need 2 hits to kill him, like i expirienced in arena fighting with one barb ( i think it was arthur or smthg). http://www.regnumzg.com.ar/index.php...ass=18&buscar=

now, lethal strike: adds some dmg which may make like your normal dmg (adds 100-135), 100% on it bonus, and only 36% chance for aditional 60% (!!!!!!) dmg, and 281 mana. so that means: boosts his normal attack like yours and add 160% dmg with less chance (36% against 80%).

wanna calculate with real numbers? np, i ll receive soon dmg of some lvl 50 barb and calculate it. Ah already sent me. It says: lvl 49 barb, stats from char window: 800-912.
my dmg is 236-279, lets take for example, my maxx dmg, 279. now,

Lethal strike: 279+ 135(lets take again max)=414. then: 100%=828, then for 36% chance, 60% more: that 249 dmg=>1077. dmg boosted with recharged arrows will give higher result, your armor ressistance on type of arrow attack, and death sentence, its ok. and for serpent bite, u re aware that it s ok dmg since u were death sentenced (usual combo).

South cross: 912+ 1140(125%)=2052. and for 80% (!!!!!!!!!!) chance, u get another 912 (100%)=>2964 without any boost like archers have "recharged arrows". lets even say its 2k dmg in real as it is.
your hp: 3757, my hp with amulet/rings: 3022
u ll make dmg for 80% chance 2964 which means i ll stay on 58. lets include my armor, still its two hits like i said.
my dmg to u for 36% chance is 1077, lets include recharged and say its about 1200 for example, or 1300, u will left on 2680, its not even half of your hp, including maybe armor, lets say 2580. my next hit with 300 wont harm u at all. So, marksman is really overpowered for u poor barbs? oh, i m sorry we cant afford u to kill us in one hit.
cant u realise that warriors are often marksman's nightmare in open filed? especially those poor barbs with little dmg that can kill u in 2 hits! think a little pal
i ll check also with barb from my clan and few other players who are barbs, dmg from stat window.

In all ur text there are lost of errors like as u see (well, u didn't saw the image for wat u say), i done 380 on that hunter ( i think is a hunter), so 380 = 500 around 125% is certain and with the 80% of luck is 800 DMG now that huge dmg u said and if u read my other posts (I really hate people with 12 years old like u ony say blablabla and never read nothing) You lose:

25%- Health
100%- Protection (so you use armors for nothing)
100%- evasion (so is sure u always hit on the guy)
1200 mana around to make all that dmg

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ups..I don't have the mana to do south cross =|

and:

Marskmans can:
45%+50% attack = 95% dmg,
lethal attack is 1000 around
lethal attack does 2000 around with the two buffs
I think there are more but this ones are the principal.

[BlooD]

Just 2 things.

South cross just do the 225% of you normal attack and barbs dont need to use 6901 mana to do something. Stop overreacting.

They fixed the bug with recharged arrows (it gave 80% damage bounus instead of 40%) so we will not see that big damages more (yeah with 80% damage they were balanced of course)

For me the only thing they need its removing the possibility of being more though than a knigth.

[misaccc]

Matori
think u made a mistake in calculating south cross dmg.it does 125%wpn dmg thats about 1k+ 80%chance to hit for another 100%dmg there aint 2normal hits +125%dmg

[Anpu]

the fact i hit u slightly higher than hunter, is because i use spell from arrow mastery tree which is shown while hitting as normal attack since it lasts till i stop or go out of mana. or i used shortbow or my xim bow, with good dmg and bonuses.
ok wait for dispell. listen dude, all can play as they want. marksman can have only dmg spells and cast em like maniac and run out of mana, or use all mana on protection and fight normaly. as i said, i m really thrill for that dispell spell. maybe it ll be even more chalenge for me or more work calculating new setup. I d like to tell u that before this setup i played high dmg spells setup. and again, its not good, amount of being killed than and now are drastically different. this is how i play, how it suits to me, there is no rule: marksman should have all arrow mastery maxed.

from your second pasus, i can conclude that your dispell magic really brigs imbalance, right?

hunters needs some specific defensive stuff.

Ok may i remind u that hunters also have evasion tree available? So, both subclasses of archers have it.

Currently the problematic with marks aren't their damage, but the fact they deal more damage than a knight because of their skills and can resist even more than them. And when we manage to deal some nice damage (we need about 3 warlocks to do that, with mana burn), then they run at a safe place with low profile or continue with SotW. Don't tell me that's wrong, even my hunter can do it

Marksman can resist with SoW for max 15 sec and guess how much mana it needs. its proven that marksman need a lot of mana during fight whatever setup he picks. its more comfortable to me to make other combo and avoid sow getting again good results. Knights can ressist even without magic, marksman needs to cast smthg so he can have ressistance LIMITED with time.

if current bows are powerful, i ll sing santa maria 3 times. U should be aware that bow + arrows are basic dmg. u know my dmg, u think it should be maybe 100? 50? with medium bow? why not slow? that ll be god of snipers.... while u ll hit with staff 200 dmg, barb 600, archers would be fair to hit u 100, but if they want to live, let em only cast spells. when they run out of mana, we acn eat em completely. ah and no run for them, because we dont like that fried chicken escape from plate, right? ts boring chasing sniper o.0 thats exactly what u want to tell.

misacc, didnt make mistake, i think. it says: on normal dmg, add 125% dmg and with 80% chance, add 100% dmg more. And knights are different from barbs, different dmg they have. Knight hitted today lvl 50 warlock 1500dmg. i ll check tonight difference in dmg btw barb and knight 50, but as one member told me, barb hits much stronger, which was idea: less armor more dmg.

dark duncan, as i said, i calculated dmg from stats window with your spell without any protection on me like spells, same did for my dmg. so its not error at all. u calculated on your 380 dmg on some archer that had protection spell. Guess what, I bet u ll hit me with 230. wanna try? lets meet at pb once just to test numbers.

edit: i sw your aclculation now. first, i dont say u bla bla bla and u dont read. i m trying to point u smthg but its ok if u dont want listen. i m not always right and i admit when i m wrong.
lethal strike for me was max 700, i ve never passed 1k. as i said, that might be because i dont have high dexterity, i didnt focus on that atribute. So, if u focus on it to boost smthg else, u ll use smthg else again and all again.
its really funny to see that barb is whining so much at marksman, i expected different.

Originally Posted by Anpu

i played high dmg spells setup. and again, its not good, amount of being killed than and now are drastically different.

So tell me why barbs and warlocks have not that possibility... lightning does 24 damage/tick on my hunter, fireball and meteor about 250.... for a defensive class it's expected to be like that. Buffed, a lvl 50 barb does south cross lvl 5 to 1200... with very slow weapons.

Why a marks can ?

And when i say specific... if you have let a hunter running away, there is a serious problem. Hunter or Marksman side.