Really? - Page 3

DkySven · 08-17-2009, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaten

Personally I don't think we should bound to any one save. Most games allow you to choose a point of interest to spawn at, in this case being any realm saves. This would help a few aspects of the game including invasions (as in the defense of the realm under threat by decreasing response time) but I doubt Regnum will ever see it. It would also give people under siege at the save an alternate option, but even still it would not put an end to the camping.

The problem is that in those games dead has a far larger penalty than here. If implemented, people will just suicide to complete quests faster.

VandaMan · 08-18-2009, 12:34 AM

While I don't approve of save camping, and was in fact one of the people calling for everyone to get back to the fort, I don't really consider what you're talking about to be save camping. We took the fort, and were perfectly happy to fight just outside the fort walls. We had our little fight and killed most of you off, and then the remaining few turn and flee back to the save... well guess what, we're obviously going to try and catch you.

My point is, if you don't want us at your save, then don't run there trying to escape us. I'm not saying we should sit at your save to punish you for running there, I'm not saying I think "you deserve" to be save camped. I'm only saying it's a simple fact that the reason Ignis was at your save is that you ran to your save while Ignis was following you, and led them there.

Aside from that, I never saw anyone kill one of the syrtis players that was standing at their save not attacking, so I don't think it's really save camping. Even though we were at times as close as 60 meters from the save, the players we were killing were the ones that decided it would be a good idea to run at our army. That is NOT save camping. Save camping is if we just keep slaughtering you as you spawn, which we most certainly did not do.

If you want an army to leave your save, attacking it isn't the best option... that gives them RP and a bit of fun. I can guarantee that if the Ignis army is sitting on herb save, and you just sit there and stare at them, they'll just walk back to the fort or get bored and head for aggers.

Anyriand · 08-18-2009, 01:11 AM

Save camping is the lowest thing one can do in this game, but obviously there's always low ppl willing to do low things...

But, if it is as Vandaman said, i don't see why you are so upset, and i don't thing you can consider that save camping...If you run away to the save you're openly inviting the enemies to chase you there and kill you so don't be surprised

Anyway, the ress at wall option is there to be used so...

PS: that -rp thingy is still working?

TehCurt · 08-18-2009, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Anyriand

PS: that -rp thingy is still working?

yes durring said event i lost 20 rp once,

rules for it follow
you have 15 minutes, and a 15 meter area around the save, after time runs out or you leave the area. the -rp protection ends.

leaving the save and going back doesnt count, you loose the -rp protection

you have to actually spawn at the save for the timer/radius to enact
running to the save and bonding will not give the aggressor -rp

and yes most of the fight we were at herb market and the syrts were running at us.

veluchami · 08-18-2009, 03:11 PM

I dont really hate savecamping. But I dont do savecamping. I have my own reasons for that...
First, savecamping is a way to dominate another realm totally in the psychological sense (If you are not even safe at your spawn point then where else can you be?) This holds true only if you save camp and get out safely. But 9/10 save campings dont go well. You eventually get killed even if you outnumber them. This is a bigger humilation (even if one of ur group gets killed and u cant ress them) cause you were cocky enough to save camp and a moral victory for the 'save campees'

In Horus, Ignis dont have the numbers to do it, unlike Syrtis which can camp you with 30 people killing 3-4 people for hours. In Ignis we usually have lesser numbers, we can kill the ppl at the save for a while. But somebody usually gets dumb and runs behind some hunter and dies. And we usually dont have as many conjus to back up.

But if you whine saying you have been save camped by one or two people its lame. Its either because you didnt make enough friends to come help you. Or you are the only one in your realm( in which case you should know it is futile and ress to wall). Both ways it is LAME.

TehCurt · 08-18-2009, 10:00 PM

i use to be against save camping, but its happened to us so many times that i dont really care any more.

it happens, its part of the game, its not like i sit at their spawn everyday the whole time im logged in. and most of the time i dont loose rps, so in ndgs mind im not "save camping".

i can understand peoples moral objectivity towards save camping, because it sucks and its a cheep way to make rp >.> if you really watch that.

Anyriand · 08-19-2009, 12:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by curtsholder

yes durring said event i lost 20 rp once,

rules for it follow
you have 15 minutes, and a 15 meter area around the save, after time runs out or you leave the area. the -rp protection ends.

leaving the save and going back doesnt count, you loose the -rp protection

you have to actually spawn at the save for the timer/radius to enact
running to the save and bonding will not give the aggressor -rp

and yes most of the fight we were at herb market and the syrts were running at us.

thanks!

TheMessenger · 08-19-2009, 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by curtsholder

wah wah wah wah wah wah,

know whats awesome, i made close to 1.1k rps while ya'll stood around like idiots!

thought id point that out first. secondly as klutu so pointed out.... rezz wall?? it is a function, you can do it you dont have to dance and clap and let me kill you over and over and over =p.

thirdly ya'll save camp just as much, if you cant take it dont dish it out!

ps. running from the save and running back into isn't going to give -rp, after you leave the 15 meter safe zone your protection is lost.

really? why the hell would I want to go to rez at the wall? its boring in realm. and Im not gonna grind. not save camping solves the problem. trust me

and as for us save camping as much no we dont. you guys sat there for 1hour+ killing us so I dont want to hear that shit. I have never went with a group to sit there and save camp anyway. I go to a save with 2-6 people most the time low lvls like me and after we kill someone we leave.

you and the other people that were save camping are pathetic. you do the shit at night when no one is on lets see you try it in the daytime.

TheMessenger · 08-19-2009, 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by VandaMan

Aside from that, I never saw anyone kill one of the syrtis players that was standing at their save not attacking, so I don't think it's really save camping. Even though we were at times as close as 60 meters from the save, the players we were killing were the ones that decided it would be a good idea to run at our army. That is NOT save camping. Save camping is if we just keep slaughtering you as you spawn, which we most certainly did not do.

you are blind than. I was sitting there and once the protection ran off I was killed.

TehCurt · 08-19-2009, 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMessenger

really? why the hell would I want to go to rez at the wall? its boring in realm. and Im not gonna grind. not save camping solves the problem. trust me

and as for us save camping as much no we dont. you guys sat there for 1hour+ killing us so I dont want to hear that shit. I have never went with a group to sit there and save camp anyway. I go to a save with 2-6 people most the time low lvls like me and after we kill someone we leave.

you and the other people that were save camping are pathetic. you do the shit at night when no one is on lets see you try it in the daytime.

"YOU ONLY INVADES AT NIGHTS...."

are you trying to get sympathy???
or just complaining for the hell of it?
i admit we sat there for a long time, but well talk to the Italians about how long they will sit at a save ^.^
or whine more...

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMessenger

you are blind than. I was sitting there and once the protection ran off I was killed.

spawn wall =p

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anyriand

thanks!

not a problem =D

08-18-2009, 01:11 AM	#23
Anyriand Initiate Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Montana Posts: 139	Save camping is the lowest thing one can do in this game, but obviously there's always low ppl willing to do low things... But, if it is as Vandaman said, i don't see why you are so upset, and i don't thing you can consider that save camping...If you run away to the save you're openly inviting the enemies to chase you there and kill you so don't be surprised Anyway, the ress at wall option is there to be used so... PS: that -rp thingy is still working? __________________ Anyriand - WM Knight Ayasha- WM Marksman Any - WM Conjurer ---HAVEN Toradora- WM Conjurer ---RA

08-18-2009, 10:00 PM	#26
TehCurt Pledge Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 20	i use to be against save camping, but its happened to us so many times that i dont really care any more. it happens, its part of the game, its not like i sit at their spawn everyday the whole time im logged in. and most of the time i dont loose rps, so in ndgs mind im not "save camping". i can understand peoples moral objectivity towards save camping, because it sucks and its a cheep way to make rp >.> if you really watch that. __________________ FROM THE LAND OF FIRE TO YOUR DOOR STEP!!! Bloodricuted, lvl 50 lock \| Tresta, lvl 50 marks \| Heal your self, lvl 33 conj \| Leader, lvl 33 hunta

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08-18-2009, 12:34 AM	#22
VandaMan Baron Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 747	While I don't approve of save camping, and was in fact one of the people calling for everyone to get back to the fort, I don't really consider what you're talking about to be save camping. We took the fort, and were perfectly happy to fight just outside the fort walls. We had our little fight and killed most of you off, and then the remaining few turn and flee back to the save... well guess what, we're obviously going to try and catch you. My point is, if you don't want us at your save, then don't run there trying to escape us. I'm not saying we should sit at your save to punish you for running there, I'm not saying I think "you deserve" to be save camped. I'm only saying it's a simple fact that the reason Ignis was at your save is that you ran to your save while Ignis was following you, and led them there. Aside from that, I never saw anyone kill one of the syrtis players that was standing at their save not attacking, so I don't think it's really save camping. Even though we were at times as close as 60 meters from the save, the players we were killing were the ones that decided it would be a good idea to run at our army. That is NOT save camping. Save camping is if we just keep slaughtering you as you spawn, which we most certainly did not do. If you want an army to leave your save, attacking it isn't the best option... that gives them RP and a bit of fun. I can guarantee that if the Ignis army is sitting on herb save, and you just sit there and stare at them, they'll just walk back to the fort or get bored and head for aggers.

08-18-2009, 03:11 PM	#25
veluchami Initiate Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: San Francisco Posts: 117	I dont really hate savecamping. But I dont do savecamping. I have my own reasons for that... First, savecamping is a way to dominate another realm totally in the psychological sense (If you are not even safe at your spawn point then where else can you be?) This holds true only if you save camp and get out safely. But 9/10 save campings dont go well. You eventually get killed even if you outnumber them. This is a bigger humilation (even if one of ur group gets killed and u cant ress them) cause you were cocky enough to save camp and a moral victory for the 'save campees' In Horus, Ignis dont have the numbers to do it, unlike Syrtis which can camp you with 30 people killing 3-4 people for hours. In Ignis we usually have lesser numbers, we can kill the ppl at the save for a while. But somebody usually gets dumb and runs behind some hunter and dies. And we usually dont have as many conjus to back up. But if you whine saying you have been save camped by one or two people its lame. Its either because you didnt make enough friends to come help you. Or you are the only one in your realm( in which case you should know it is futile and ress to wall). Both ways it is LAME.