Staff Mastery (SM)

[MrFreaky]

lol fuerst. good guy. you know he had no jewels right. he just had insane attack speed. he also used light tunic which was only in ignis at the time.

Beijing had jewels and he hit hard.. real hard. but he never used a 30m staff. i think range 30 is essential.

also.... another reason why NGD do not support the idea of SM (in war): did you not realize that there are no 30m staves after level 50? yup... and when NGD decide to raise the cap to 65/70.. i will be the first to complain because my Dragon Eye 30m will become obsolete. i currently use levels 40 staves, but as the level cap raises, my damage will plummet.

[MrFreaky]

Originally Posted by Hayir

You could as well play marks :P

this is very true... hence why NGD will not enhance SM in war.

but as long as the marks does not have extreme gear + full jewels, which i believe is very rare on Haven, the sm lock will always out dps the marks so long as the SM mage has above average gear. our normals will be significantly lower, but the overall AS definitely makes up for it.

it is also nice that with a 30m staff + projection, archers cannot kite SM mages. for every turn and shoot, the mage will hit twice... forcing the archers to come into close quarters or make a run for it.

small things which encourage me to not play spells over SM.

[Almighty1]

Originally Posted by MrFreaky

lol fuerst. good guy. you know he had no jewels right. he just had insane attack speed. he also used light tunic which was only in ignis at the time.

RoL was also available only in Ignis in the beginning. Fuerst never showed me his gear. I had talked to him after NGD raised the lvl cap to 60, he said his staff no longer made any impact and he took to spellcasting. And I never saw much of him after it.

Originally Posted by MrFreaky

Beijing had jewels and he hit hard.. real hard.

Met him only few times in the wz when i was a low level, died before i could even understand what was happening
Paavali is another person who also hits very hard for a conju.

Originally Posted by MrFreaky

i think range 30 is essential.

Yes, especially for a warlock. Conjus can manage with a 25 med, bcoz they have the defense to make up for the range. Locks definitely need a r30 staff.
I use Master Staff as my r30, but switch to 25 med / 20 fast once I'm close.

Originally Posted by MrFreaky

also.... another reason why NGD do not support the idea of SM (in war): did you not realize that there are no 30m staves after level 50? yup... and when NGD decide to raise the cap to 65/70.. i will be the first to complain because my Dragon Eye 30m will become obsolete. i currently use levels 40 staves, but as the level cap raises, my damage will plummet.

Well, I guess its true. Same case with the Magnanite weapons, only 1 new Staff (25 Fast) was introduced, lvl 50 RO had 2 Magna staves (a 20 fast and 30 med). Completely eliminated all the r30 staves when they raised the level cap. So sad.

[Almighty1]

Originally Posted by MrFreaky

this is very true... hence why NGD will not enhance SM in war.

Probably

Originally Posted by MrFreaky

but as long as the marks does not have extreme gear + full jewels, which i believe is very rare on Haven, the sm lock will always out dps the marks so long as the SM mage has above average gear.

You can out hit a jewelled marks, but you need wmc/drag amu.

Originally Posted by MrFreaky

it is also nice that with a 30m staff + projection, archers cannot kite SM mages. for every turn and shoot, the mage will hit twice... forcing the archers to come into close quarters or make a run for it.

small things which encourage me to not play spells over SM.

Very true. Same here

[Sentan]

imo Beijing was the best SM player of all time I remember his OP staff, 600+ normals with v fast speed 25-30r + old zarkits o.O

[Takeyo]

Originally Posted by Almighty1

You can out hit a jewelled marks, but you need wmc/drag amu.

You can, with the right weapon. Little-known fact: warlock has the second highest attack damage scale next to barbarian. That just blows me away. Please don't tell the authorities. It would ruin all the fun, if it got nerfed.

[C4RB0N4]

Originally Posted by MrFreaky

also.... another reason why NGD do not support the idea of SM (in war): did you not realize that there are no 30m staves after level 50? yup... and when NGD decide to raise the cap to 65/70.. i will be the first to complain because my Dragon Eye 30m will become obsolete. i currently use levels 40 staves, but as the level cap raises, my damage will plummet.

have you ever tried wm staff? i'm yet to lay hands on good sm staff (+40dmg) however wm staff does pretty awesome dmg (esp with great gem) which gets ignored by locks in haven. not sure if it's better but i really suggest you to try it out before saying

[MrFreaky]

Originally Posted by C4RB0N4

have you ever tried wm staff? i'm yet to lay hands on good sm staff (+40dmg) however wm staff does pretty awesome dmg (esp with great gem) which gets ignored by locks in haven. not sure if it's better but i really suggest you to try it out before saying

i have not tried the WM staff. it's a nice staff to consider if you were lacking other SM staves. but staves which easily out DPS the WM staff are so common to come by on the market, that it's not worth to settle for the WM staff.

judging from the staff itself which has a base of 60-80 fire and only 1 socket available, there is no need for me to actually purchase it and test its DPS. it's quite obvious that the epic lower level staves out DPS the WM staff.

[Lebeau]

Almost all are completely valid points. Current SM truly is weaksauce, & therefore is not as viable a gameplay-option, & so, only few use it now.

Why?:

1) Level 60 cap increased all endgame-level armors' protection, & existing armor-protection & damage-negation self-&-area buffs all work by %, & are not linear, as SM damage is (except for Combat Magic).

2) SM's base damage is not even as high it was when armors & hp's were lower (when level cap was 50, & SM's base damage & buffs were slightly higher).

3) Inexplicably, there are no droppable/boxable endgame-level range-30 staves in CoR atm.

4) SM requires a spell tree of 19, & 25-30 power points (at least, & that's a vast expenditure)) to get out of it what can be had, yet except for one passive, all of it is negated by a single MS, & cannot be recast quickly (due to both the number of, & the mostly-2min.-cd's, of SM-buffs).

Thus, SM-users face more overall protection versus less overall damage, at a shortened range, with very lengthy SM-spell cd's.

Solutions?:

1) Slightly more base damage from Magnification-buffs.

2) Droppable/boxable range-30 endgame-level staves.

3) Shorter cd's (& global cd's) for all SM damage/a.s./range buffs (say 30-or-so secs/very short?).

[Almighty1]

Originally Posted by C4RB0N4

have you ever tried wm staff? i'm yet to lay hands on good sm staff (+40dmg) however wm staff does pretty awesome dmg (esp with great gem) which gets ignored by locks in haven. not sure if it's better but i really suggest you to try it out before saying

I have tried WM staff. It's not very great. I have a Staff Mastery dmg calculator (made with help from Dr.Lawz ). The only good r30 staff (lvl55)is eve staff, it gives you additional dmg once you start attacking. Idk why though. I'll test it out more.