I'm srry to make this thread but its just become too big of an issue

[Flightcap]

*hides his conju staff and robes* Noooooooo not a conju, not a conju! A mere wood elf sir!

About the Syrtis zerg though, you're absolutely correct. The same silly tactics are still happening (running after a single player, getting too far from a fort and close to the enemy save, leaving conjus behind, etc). We require more leaders and better followers to make this zerg into the efficient killing machine that it could be.

[veluchami]

It is a shame to see an Ignis whine thread.
Let me make some things clear,
1) Syrtis 'outnumbered' us when we used to whup their asses every night in wz an year back. At no point in time in the history of Horus were Syrtis under populated.
2) It was the same players (to some extent) who played an year back who are playing now.
3) I dont really see a difference in Syrtis tactics an year back compared to now.. zerg is a zerg...

So think Ignis ! What went wrong now? An year back we rolled under one banner, the Ignis banner. We coordinated with clockwork precision. We responded to one command. Now, we are divided. While half the group is at Samal rushing the zerg, some camp shana and another group goes for herb and yet some more ppl grind inner realm. No one wants to be led. Its just chaos in the war zone.
Most good players didnt quit.. they just play less or stopped playing. I myself dont have much time to play.. well not even time for a good flame thread here.. oO ...
Ignis just has too many conflicting egos imo. But time and the zerg treatment will cure it sooner or later And we will rise again !
But ffs, DONT whine here again !

[veluchami]

Originally Posted by VandaMan

Repeating balance BS which has been said a million times just so that you can piggy back a little "But Ignis deserves to get zerged anyway" along with each post doesn't make yours on topic either. I just don't care enough to try and give the appearance of being on topic, when it's obvious this thread (just like its other 50 twin brothers) is going nowhere. If you really did intent to be 100% on topic and sincere, then you probably shouldn't throw in things like:




Things like that are clearly just as off-topic as I am. So I guess you can either come up with some other "sincere" bullshit about balance just so that you can piggy-back some more off-topic nonsense, or...

Haha van, you just stripped Uma bare ..
Reinvent your tactics uma.. theyre getting old..

[lala110593]

Originally Posted by veluchami

It is a shame to see an Ignis whine thread.
Let me make some things clear,
1) Syrtis 'outnumbered' us when we used to whup their asses every night in wz an year back. At no point in time in the history of Horus were Syrtis under populated.
2) It was the same players (to some extent) who played an year back who are playing now.
3) I dont really see a difference in Syrtis tactics an year back compared to now.. zerg is a zerg...

So think Ignis ! What went wrong now? An year back we rolled under one banner, the Ignis banner. We coordinated with clockwork precision. We responded to one command. Now, we are divided. While half the group is at Samal rushing the zerg, some camp shana and another group goes for herb and yet some more ppl grind inner realm. No one wants to be led. Its just chaos in the war zone.
Most good players didnt quit.. they just play less or stopped playing. I myself dont have much time to play.. well not even time for a good flame thread here.. oO ...
Ignis just has too many conflicting egos imo. But time and the zerg treatment will cure it sooner or later And we will rise again !
But ffs, DONT whine here again !

everything u said is pretty much wrong, most players who played a year back no longer play. A year back it was 15v8, now its 30 v 10...
but i will give you that it is not the same organized ignis, none of the new players want to accept organizations and just want to play for them selves. the people who play now just don't want to be organize, for example warlocks dont want to coordinate their sultars , they will sultar whenever they get CD, i ask over and over to at least warn so barbs can buff and rush in, but they will sultar when there is no1 around to follow up with area, as if its going to do something (this really pisses me off, and when i see this more than once i just refuse to play w/em)

-glulose

[veluchami]

Originally Posted by lala110593

everything u said is pretty much wrong, most players who played a year back no longer play. A year back it was 15v8, now its 30 v 10...
but i will give you that it is not the same organized ignis, none of the new players want to accept organizations and just want to play for them selves. the people who play now just don't want to be organize, for example warlocks dont want to coordinate their sultars , they will sultar whenever they get CD, i ask over and over to at least warn so barbs can buff and rush in, but they will sultar when there is no1 around to follow up with area, as if its going to do something (this really pisses me off, and when i see this more than once i just refuse to play w/em)

-glulose

So you do agree its not cos of Syrtis zerg that we lose? the zerg was always there.. but cos of lack of unity? If anything, the current bunch of players are better than what we had back then in terms of level, skill, commitment, and gear. But there is a glaring lack of tactics and coordination

[Lexen]

Originally Posted by bois

My view on the zerg attacks on Ignis horus is this : Only about half the time the whole zerg shows up in the initial attack. More often than not there is an advance party that comes to take the fort of say 7-12. The reality (and I may be flamed for this) is that Ignis does not react as quickly in mass as they once did to loss of their forts.
Tactically we are still good but we have gotten a bit slack in that area. The zerg can be defeated as they make many mistakes. Problem is that we cannot capitalize on it quickly enough.

Happy Holidays
Artec

I agree with you. Most of the time playing all Ignis is worried about is grinding alts. We dont get alot right away because you see them say "Hold on, I need 20k til lvl 40" oh but wait you already have a lvl 50... So why do we keep grinding alts when there is war? It is because Ignis has become lazy, because people enjoy lvling or drop grinding then fighting.. Fine I will probably get flamed from Ignis for saying this. But come on, they have the fort and you prefer to grind then help your realm out... After 2 tries half log to go grind their alts, and they say "They are way to many" well when we end up taking about half the zerg down, wow then Ignis finally shows up.

About the Ignis night crew we were about 8-15 at night (mostly at the fort wars at night it is usually apoc and some igi with some clanless people). Yes over time we have got more, but this last month so far I have seen syrtis have around 10-20(most are lvl 40+) and yes most of the ignis are lvl 50. But I am not complaining about that its fine we at least get a fight. But on the weekends we will have more at night, so will all the other realms due to kids still in school/college.

But at least during the night we are not outnumbering the other realm so bad even if we can outnumber them. The only time when we do manage to get alot online at night is usually when we are invading (which use to be about 40-45 of us) but after trying to get ignis back together and trying to invade again we have ended up with about maybe 25-30(maybe out of that 15-18 lvl 50s the rest are 40 or under) which really cant take the gate down with the guards, guard captains and about 20 players all with areas behind the door.

The times we did invade yes other realms had less on but the times have changed alot of ignis quit, went to syrtis or alsuis and some even went back to ra and the other realms have a night crew now then when they had it before. I am not saying no syrtis or alsuis have came to ignis and only ignis went to other realms. But some of our night crew has retired and we have a new night crew.

[Xero_Aurion]

Originally Posted by Lexen

...It is because Ignis has become lazy...

I agree, second that, and confirm it based on what I've seen after returning recently. That is all.

[UmarilsStillHere]

Originally Posted by veluchami

It is a shame to see an Ignis whine thread.
Let me make some things clear,
1) Syrtis 'outnumbered' us when we used to whup their asses every night in wz an year back. At no point in time in the history of Horus were Syrtis under populated.
2) It was the same players (to some extent) who played an year back who are playing now.
3) I dont really see a difference in Syrtis tactics an year back compared to now.. zerg is a zerg...

So think Ignis ! What went wrong now? An year back we rolled under one banner, the Ignis banner. We coordinated with clockwork precision. We responded to one command. Now, we are divided. While half the group is at Samal rushing the zerg, some camp shana and another group goes for herb and yet some more ppl grind inner realm. No one wants to be led. Its just chaos in the war zone.
Most good players didnt quit.. they just play less or stopped playing. I myself dont have much time to play.. well not even time for a good flame thread here.. oO ...
Ignis just has too many conflicting egos imo. But time and the zerg treatment will cure it sooner or later And we will rise again !
But ffs, DONT whine here again !

A lot of the old Ignis players I dont see anymore, but many I still do, so Im unsure about how many quit or how many just got lazy, your right though Ignis used to be far far more organised, more effective at taking out key targets, etc. Nowadays many Igneans have taken the on the syrtis zerg tactic, which rarely works since your often outnumbered but even then they play like one, the other day at herbred Ignis had pushed us to the hill north of Central, then suddenly pulled back leaving 2 of their barbs in the middle of our lines as the rest of the army legged it.

As much stick as he got off other realms, and some Igneans Ignis as a realm played far better under the hand of Efrendi, maybe you should look at electing some new commanders so you can get back to being the organised machine you were

Originally Posted by veluchami

Haha van, you just stripped Uma bare ..
Reinvent your tactics uma.. theyre getting old..

Well after 2 years and 1.6k posts I often find myself making the same points every other week in whatever new balance thread has been thrown up, I should should shut up more often but Im over vocal on stuff like this :}

[bois]

Originally Posted by Lexen

Most of the time playing all Ignis is worried about is grinding alts. We dont get alot right away because you see them say "Hold on, I need 20k til lvl 40" oh but wait you already have a lvl 50... So why do we keep grinding alts when there is war? It is because Ignis has become lazy, because people enjoy lvling or drop grinding then fighting.. Fine I will probably get flamed from Ignis for saying this. But come on, they have the fort and you prefer to grind then help your realm out... After 2 tries half log to go grind their alts, and they say "They are way to many" well when we end up taking about half the zerg down, wow then Ignis finally shows up.

I agree Lexen. I make a point of it to show up at any fort battle where Ignis forts are lost. Many times I am there getting farmed along with several of veteran players. One time I got my lock killed about 30 times over 3 hours of trying, yet continued to bash my head against the zerg for sheer spite.
Ignis used to have the pride of the realm top priority but recently we have gotten soft.
There are times where where we have to do a tactical retreat to Shaanarid but I totally agree that we give up too easily and have no game plan out there. It is not that we don't have players that are very experienced in all tactics or have potential leaders , the problem is :

Players refuse to follow tactical plans
Less experienced players feel they know all.
Lastly and most importantly , Ignis was patient. We set up the tactics and everyone knew their role and executed it. Ignis is too rash and uncoordinated now. Only when we have a mass of the old school players assembled ,we can cause serious damage.

Too many times our experienced players try to set up our tried and tested tactics and fail because half the army either runs off to suicide ,or leaves after 3 tries to alts like Lexen said.

I say this and I do not care if I am flamed, the syrtis zerg, as a singular tactical unit is fundamentally no more skilled than they were before even their though their ranks have swelled. From an Ignis standpoint, and knowing Ignis in its glory , we have gotten soft.
I am frustrated with it and I know many of the old guard are too. However, all we can so is try to show and not tell and hope the junior members can learn and grow.

Artec

[Saryad]

What is the fun is a game when you can make your opposition so frustrated they just go offline?