Invasion System Change Needed

[Anyriand]

Originally Posted by TheOre

As for the last sytris invasion i remember was New years eve when 5 ignis or so on so yea good job sytris (sarcasm)

Hmm...what does that say about invasions then? It really is hard work to take down a gate and grab 2 gems when you have 5 ppl defending isn't it?
You're kinda contradicting yourself here...

[Kyrottimus]

Originally Posted by Anyriand

Hmm...what does that say about invasions then? It really is hard work to take down a gate and grab 2 gems when you have 5 ppl defending isn't it?
You're kinda contradicting yourself here...

I believe what we have here is a triumph of the subjective.

Through the eyes of one Ig:
When Syrtis invades with a zerg vs. only a handful of Ignis defending, it's not hard work at all for Syrtis to do that.
When Ignis invades with a zerg vs. only a handful of Syrtis/Alsius defending, it's really hard work for Ignis to do that!


So, subjectively what we have here are two possibilities:

1. A double standard where invasions are only worthy of praise when Ignis accomplishes them.

2. TheOre is indirectly inferring that somehow Ignis sucks and that even with a zerg vs. a handful of players it's real hard work to overcome that small group of half-dozen.

The only 2 times Alsius invaded and opened the portal successfully, I think we failed the first time, every time, we got on the realm gate (meaning we had to re-assemble, and try again) before we broke it, got in, broke through the chaos, grabbed the gems, and ran interference for the gem-runners.

But yeah, zerg vs. handful = weak-sauce.

[VandaMan]

Originally Posted by Kyrottimus

I believe what we have here is a triumph of the subjective.

Through the eyes of one Ig:
When Syrtis invades with a zerg vs. only a handful of Ignis defending, it's not hard work at all for Syrtis to do that.
When Ignis invades with a zerg vs. only a handful of Syrtis/Alsius defending, it's really hard work for Ignis to do that!


So, subjectively what we have here are two possibilities:

1. A double standard where invasions are only worthy of praise when Ignis accomplishes them.

2. TheOre is indirectly inferring that somehow Ignis sucks and that even with a zerg vs. a handful of players it's real hard work to overcome that small group of half-dozen.

The only 2 times Alsius invaded and opened the portal successfully, I think we failed the first time, every time, we got on the realm gate (meaning we had to re-assemble, and try again) before we broke it, got in, broke through the chaos, grabbed the gems, and ran interference for the gem-runners.

But yeah, zerg vs. handful = weak-sauce.

In all honesty though, even while we do intentionally invade during off-hours, our invasions are still a lot of work, and we do fail more often than we succeed. If I had to guess I'd say we have a 25% success rate (counting 1 gem gained as a success). This is rather different than the 4 (5?) invasions on new years, where the gate fell in like 1 minute all four times, without losing a single player. Just sayin'.

[A_K_M]

Originally Posted by ieti

AKM still it will be unfair for players. All players have to be on common places. Premium stuff should not have big impact to game.

*facepalm* Of course its unfair. And I do agree that it would be stupid... The way it was said wasn't right... I meant as it to be an "obviously stupid idea" vs. "a better idea" so it would make more sense to take the second option, but forget it...I have given up on this thread

[Kyrottimus]

Originally Posted by VandaMan

In all honesty though, even while we do intentionally invade during off-hours, our invasions are still a lot of work, and we do fail more often than we succeed. If I had to guess I'd say we have a 25% success rate (counting 1 gem gained as a success). This is rather different than the 4 (5?) invasions on new years, where the gate fell in like 1 minute all four times, without losing a single player. Just sayin'.

I agree. But there are periods, worthy of mention, in the past month or so where I recall both Ignis and Syrtis swarming a gate with VERY few defenders.

(in some cases even when the defending realm had no gems but the invaders were simply invading to raid the low-level grinders in the inner realm or take inner-realm tours or whatever).

So I don't presume to think that all the hard work to be about gems, when after-all invasions still happen to gem-less realms. In some cases it seems rather ad-hoc and impromptu, so I would disregard those invasions as having any hard-work but rather just timing.

I guess some people just like the fun of the war and the chaos of the unexpected, which is what the 3 realms is all about in the first place.

Always interesting to have a wild-card thrown in to keep things interesting.

[BudapestKnight2]

Originally Posted by TheOre

I am Not sure If i am the first to suggest this but We need a change in the system of Invasions. This is what needs to be changed. The Invading Realm and Defending Realm are the only realms allowed to touch the gems in the Inner realms and War Zone. the Third should not be allowed to pick up gem at all. reasons simple Multirealmers who Log off Near the gem Stand and pick up gem and run it into a city or Drown it, We in Ignis and i am sure in other two realms are sick and tried of a few multirealmers spoiling the hard work that Invasions are worth. Also the 3rd realm should not be allowed to attack the invading realm and defending realms at all. suggest only after the 2 gates have been broken something Like immunity for the defending and invading realms.

Peace Out
TheORE

Do you think like this, when an Ignis tried to hide the gem away while we are invading against Alsius? (See the picute bellow!)

[tjanex]

I picked up that gem. The gem was at the edge a centimeter to the right and he would have fell in the water (if that's possible), was hard to manouvre trough all those guards....

[BudapestKnight2]

I know I followed you with the gem.
It was an ugly unfair behaviour by that Ignis hunter.

[Gabburtjuh]

It wasn't, it was a fully clean and smart move to stop you from getting all 6 gems, which you should try to prevent the other realms from getting right? And since the gems are visible on the map it isn't really possible to just hide it anywhere either is it? >.<

[TheOre]

Originally Posted by tjanex

I picked up that gem. The gem was at the edge a centimeter to the right and he would have fell in the water (if that's possible), was hard to manouvre trough all those guards....

The Gem was carried by someone I know and was on mumble he was never going to drown the gem... as a whole point of this thread was to start talking about new system and about other realms stealing gems and running away.. now sytris and alsuis see what i am talking about. how did it feel that your gem that you worked for be taking off by 1 i repeat 1 hunter.. not cool is it