China wants to build a city in the USA (thanks USA for all your debt) SAY NO!!!

[asterisk]

Originally Posted by standistortion

Maybe I've got this wrong but that sounds like Poland is for requesting US protection from Russia. I've no idea what else they gave in return and it sounds like signing a pact with the devil, but it is a justified reason for US military presence in Europe.

Originally Posted by standistortion

No, it isn't which is why I say most of us are very fortunate to live in the times we do with few of us being exposed to the horrors of war.

So you prefer die from starvation and poverty than bullets? And remember it is way easier for population to understand war and fight back than economic hostage.

Originally Posted by standistortion

That depends on which news is doing the reporting. Considering other economic zones throughout the world I would expect the educated US populace to be important to China meaning more jobs for US citizens. Even if there isn't a single US citizen employed in these zones, would it be cheaper to fly food in or buy from the US considering the US food production surplus and to fly in raw materials or buy from the US?

After reading through a lot of news articles on this its obvious there are a lot concerns in the US over this issue, mostly economic concerns but also over the potential for China to stockpile arms and weaponry within the US. A few years ago the dollar was on the brink of collapse, if China wanted dominance over the US they would have pushed the dollar over the edge then. China is also the only country to have successfully and relatively humanely addressed my biggest worry for future world peace, overpopulation.

SEZ is SEZ anywhere in world, hiring cheaper labor from low wealth countries is a standard method, but US is not one of them especially compared to Chinese labor.
Chinese cusine is completely different in ingredients that US and most of western world don't produce or have surplus and raw ingredients.
China happens to be the bigger buyer of complete instalations (mines etc.) of raw materials the last years, so big even european union had a meeting about that matter only.
As for dollar collapse, yes there was a so called "crisis" so that they can empty taxpayers money and give it to banks.

[-Logan-]

Originally Posted by asterisk

If you are talking about the 2006 request with a little research you can find out why Poland wanted US help.
From 2006 Reuters: "Poland will ask the United States to back efforts to reduce its dependence on Russian energy supplies in exchange for agreeing to allow a U.S. anti-missile defense system on its territory, a Polish newspaper reported Monday."

Dude, you don't live in Poland. You're not going to learn much from a generic media outlet article from 2006. Moreover the original anti-missile shield concept has been totally scrapped. In CURRENT events, the USA bailed out on the idea of an anti-missile system in Poland and Czechoslovakia amid concerns from Russia. Instead Poland received a Patriot SAM system last year, and there's even some more fun behind that (It wasn't functional). Things looked different when Bush was in town.

This is just one example that I can vouch for, and to me it's obvious that the US is distanced when it comes to these things; THEY are the ones that don't want to start military operations here. The Polish government is responsible for US actions on their territory. And leaked cables from Wikileaks even show the surprised reactions to that. These are Poland's defense interests, not US "war" interests. The F-16 rotation that was recently agreed upon is mostly an opportunity for American pilots to teach Polish pilots.

There are plenty of countries in Europe that are concerned in their defense and well being, and so THEY turn to the US for help.

Originally Posted by Torcida

Name 1 country that actually likes being invaded by foreign soldiers

You look at things from the high horse perspective. There are plenty of people that are grateful for foreign intervention in their countries, it's just that you never hear their voices. A country as a whole cannot "like" anything, there are people that will be against it and for it, but you're only looking from one side.

[standistortion]

Firstly, the facepalm doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

So you prefer die from starvation and poverty than bullets? And remember it is way easier for population to understand war and fight back than economic hostage.

With our current production capabilities no one need die from starvation. They do by being held economic hostage, ie. their country cant afford either current production methods or to buy from overseas. I would prefer the whole economic structure to collapse, though I have no idea what would take it's place and wouldn't like to be around for its dying struggle.

SEZ is SEZ anywhere in world

Yes, but the rules controlling them are vast and varied.

hiring cheaper labor from low wealth countries is a standard method, but US is not one of them especially compared to Chinese labor.

By current western standards US citizens work long hours for low wages. Add to that the weakening of western currencies, in particular the dollar, and the strengthening of eastern currencies and we're heading towards the US being a source of cheap labor closely followed by many European states. For instance, Ireland was recently a source of cheap labor and may soon be one again. That might sound foolish in light of sweatshop labor rates but raw materials have to brought in and goods shipped out. Remove the costs of those from the overheads by manufacturing at both the source of materials and demand for goods and there will be a point of greater profits despite higher labor costs.

Chinese cuisine is completely different in ingredients that US

Maybe the US doesn't have a great stock of 100 year old eggs but they have plenty the average oriental can metabolize. There would be a market for more rice etc, if US farmers don't adapt to fill that market then they only have themselves to blame if the Chinese start farming US soil to supply it.

and most of western world don't produce or have surplus and raw ingredients.

Recently there was famine in several countries supplied by the western surplus due to extra production of conventional crops being changed to production of oil crops used for fuel manufacture for higher profit.

China happens to be the bigger buyer of complete installations (mines etc.) of raw materials the last years, so big even European union had a meeting about that matter only.

Ahh, raw materials, the real reason so many Iraqis died. I'm just glad Ireland doesn't have many so its unlikely anyone will be accusing us of developing sheep of mass destruction and bringing us 'freedom and democracy'.

As for dollar collapse, yes there was a so called "crisis" so that they can empty taxpayers money and give it to banks.

There was a very real crisis. OPEC was discussing moving away from the dollar for oil transactions shortly before the invasion of Iraq, by sheer coincidence the main OPEC member pushing to drop the dollar was Iraq. If that had happened the dollar would have had the main foundations for its global economic strength removed. More recently when the price of oil was rising dangerously there where similar discussions and discussions of different prices for different markets. For many years there has been talk of an eastern currency in the same way Europe has the euro, if this was introduced the dollar would suffer badly.

I don't think any of us will ever know how much of this is truth and how much is FUD to keep us afraid as per Leadoffhitter's post, but as unstable as the dollar is it's very unlikely the global economic system will allow it to simply collapse. There isn't much point in selling to the worlds largest consumer if their money isn't worth anything.

[DemonMonger]

Glad to see so many responses on this issue.

This event has gotten little to no media attention at all.

Hopefully you have talked about this with your friends and family also.

[Cuchulainn]

Originally Posted by -Logan-

[...]

There are plenty of countries in Europe that are concerned in their defense and well being, and so THEY turn to the US for help.


You look at things from the high horse perspective. There are plenty of people that are grateful for foreign intervention in their countries, it's just that you never hear their voices. A country as a whole cannot "like" anything, there are people that will be against it and for it, but you're only looking from one side.

You "plenty of countries" is just speculation and IMHO ridiculous. I believe the share of European people who fear a military threat of Russia or China is very very low. Maybe there are still some people in Poland and former Soviet countries who fear Russia, but who can say if this people are a tiny minority or not. IMHO it's crap to believe that these countries need inside of their country special protection from the US. So many much destruction weapons on the world. With the amount of mass destruction weapons Earth could be made uninhabitable dozens of times if there would be war between Russia, China or US.

Originally Posted by standistortion

There was a very real crisis.

This crisis is still ongoing and will become much worse. So many countries are almost bancrupt. And some or probably even all of them cannot decrease their dept growth. The compound interest which these countries have to pay to banks is increasing always in our nice bank system.
F.E.D and European Central bank have not less power than politicians have.

With our current production capabilities no one need die from starvation.

maybe it would be right if we distributed the foods fairly plus if we replaced bioethanol production areas with food production areas. But this will not happen in the near future. With economy crisis and bankruptcy crisis it's quite possible that starvation will be also a issue in western countries.

[m4cgregor]

Originally Posted by -Logan-

Wow, that's pretty ignorant. Do you wear a tinfoil hat to go along with some of those theories

Once again, most of the time (and now more then ever) the USA isn't the one that looks for strategic military positions, other countries ASK them for that because they care about their own security and defense. Look at Libya and what's happening right now, most of the actions you see from the USA are only there because of pressure from NATO, because other countries rely on the USA to do something.

And you're talking as if a US military outpost had the manpower to take over an entire country, which is completely unrealistic. Military bases don't exist only for wars, in many countries they still exist to train local armies, which you're going to say isn't helpful?

I am pretty, but not ignorant.

I live in latinoamerica, and i have read a lot about history. I recomend you to do the same.

You repeat the old Hollywood script: the poor people oversees than can not figth the evil dictator until the American Hero arrives to build and army and defeat him.

It's a nice tale. But have no connection whith real facts.

All USA's militar interventions were to preserve economic or political interest, beyond of what the population of those countries haven chose.

Here is a list ( in spanish, but you can sure easily translate ) of some of them.

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intervenciones_de_los_Estados_Unidos

In this forum, you have people from several countries.

Try to open your mind beyond the propaganda that surrounds you, and listen what the rest of the world think about it.

[m4cgregor]

It's worst in englhish...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_military_history_events

Constant WAR !!!!

[asterisk]

Originally Posted by -Logan-

Dude, you don't live in Poland. You're not going to learn much from a generic media outlet article from 2006. Moreover the original anti-missile shield concept has been totally scrapped. In CURRENT events, the USA bailed out on the idea of an anti-missile system in Poland and Czechoslovakia amid concerns from Russia. Instead Poland received a Patriot SAM system last year, and there's even some more fun behind that (It wasn't functional). Things looked different when Bush was in town.

"Dude" yes, i don't live in Poland and if i must put the whole bibliography i read to start commenting on an issue then i'm sorry i didn't do it. Usually when you talk about a matter you refer to the more or less historical start of it. If you think US didn't wanted a missile base in Poland (just behind the back of Russia) you're completely wrong, it's the same fear of Russia that made Poland ask for US help that prevent US to such a move. Things was always the same no matter who was US president.

Originally Posted by -Logan-

This is just one example that I can vouch for, and to me it's obvious that the US is distanced when it comes to these things; THEY are the ones that don't want to start military operations here.

The whole recent US history is about trying to establish military bases all over the world, wake up.

Originally Posted by -Logan-

The F-16 rotation that was recently agreed upon is mostly an opportunity for American pilots to teach Polish pilots.

Yes so you can get rid of "bad" Russian equipment you use all those years and buy from US industries so that they can make more profit. And after all why join US JSF program and not buy from a neighbor european country?

Originally Posted by -Logan-

There are plenty of countries in Europe that are concerned in their defense and well being, and so THEY turn to the US for help.

No comment

Originally Posted by -Logan-

You look at things from the high horse perspective. There are plenty of people that are grateful for foreign intervention in their countries, it's just that you never hear their voices. A country as a whole cannot "like" anything, there are people that will be against it and for it, but you're only looking from one side.

Maybe the owner of the super market next to a military base is grateful because he gets huge profit but that does not mean foreign intervention is good. NEVER in the world history foreign interventions lead to good no matter it was military or political/economic one.

[dejan]

I suppose the problem under the hood is - USA can't invade China like it did with over 15 sovereign countries in the past 2 decades. ;P

Go China, go! \o/

[Seher]

Originally Posted by dejan

Go China, go! \o/

\o/

I speak Chinese, do you, too?