GameSamba's hall of shameless condemnation

[Dupa_z_Zasady]

Originally Posted by erttzzadfk

Tell me what is a "clean ban"?
A perm banned Gameaccount to be made new a few hours later?
An Ip-ban when you've got a dynamic ip?

And that's the problem. All these players come back several times, cause you don't really have to identify yourselves at registration.
There is no active Anticheat as well.
The door is wide opened for every kind of internet mosquitos.

Who comes back wants some other players to know:"hey, i'm here again " and that's why i think this list will help a little bit without fixing all problems.

So it doesn't matter what kind of motivation GameSamba may have in your eyes.
It's only interesting that fair players can see "something is done" instead of leaving RO and move on with other games, while talking bad about it there.

What that Hall of Shame is going to change then? Few people said it here, those people are mostly attention whores, so it will stir them up to do that even more.

[Awrath]

Originally Posted by nohan

if people cheat for fun, we should take fun away too

a good way to do that is implementing alot of rules, and publishing a hall of shame on forums

i'd like to add that daar's post is a bit ironic, because he is basically crying that gamesamba has too many rules that wouldnt exist if they hadnt come place them, and saying how they arent needed but in Raven, he was one of the many that persued the way of the witchhunt, always recording people and trying to get them banned by making up idiotic excuses and showing vid to gm or putting on youtube, such as "save guard glitching" or "precise block animation bug abusing" those were my favourite ones, and if i recall you were banned for at least a day for trolling, the amount of personal attacks was too damn high but you held on to gameamba tightly always crying to a gm

My question doesnt need to be answered but if you wanna answer, why the sudden change in behaviour? all of a sudden there are too many rules?

Nothing wrong with reporting cheaters, but to name and shame publicly is unnecessary. As for those two videos of the bugs you mentioned that Daar put up, those are valid bugs, I don't see why you bring them up or what it even has to do with this thread.

The solution is simple, if people fail to follow the rules ban, if they continue ban again, if they continue permanently ban, there goes their hard work and items in building up a character, and that's lesson enough for most. For those who start new characters and start doing the same thing, well naming and shaming wont help, banning wont help, IP bans are easy to get around and if a troll/cheater is dedicated enough I'm sure they will make their way back. So in conclusion the "shame" post by GS is not only childish but utterly pointless.

[Evangeline]

Originally Posted by Awrath

Nothing wrong with reporting cheaters, but to name and shame publicly is unnecessary. As for those two videos of the bugs you mentioned that Daar put up, those are valid bugs, I don't see why you bring them up or what it even has to do with this thread.

The solution is simple, if people fail to follow the rules ban, if they continue ban again, if they continue permanently ban, there goes their hard work and items in building up a character, and that's lesson enough for most. For those who start new characters and start doing the same thing, well naming and shaming wont help, banning wont help, IP bans are easy to get around and if a troll/cheater is dedicated enough I'm sure they will make their way back. So in conclusion the "shame" post by GS is not only childish but utterly pointless.

awrath dont take sudden conclusions like that, it has everything to do with it, if you played Raven you would know that many people on gamesamba forums actually wanted to expose the cheaters to public, daar was one of them was just saying how ironic it was :>

if it is pointless or childish or unnecessary, not my problem i dont even read gamesamba forums, but gamesamba gives the players what they ask for, many ppl did want this, so to those people, deal with it why should people even care about it anyway if you do nothing wrong you wont show in the list

[Wield_II]

Why didnt they list ms monkeys.

[Hopeakettu]

Originally Posted by Donatoo

Why didnt they list ms monkeys.

Cause the forum wouldn't handle so much text?

[PT_DaAr_PT]

Originally Posted by VandaMan

I can see both sides. Firstly I'd like to be clear - adding trolls, purple fever carriers, spammers, and harassers is a bit silly and accomplishes nothing. However I can get on board with making it public when people abuse bugs and such to gain war/pvp advantages.

These people cheat to gain an advantage, to gain RP or to win. We can't take away the actual victories or place on the high scores list they've gained by cheating, but we can make sure everyone knows how they got them. Not that the rankings truly matter, but I think if I were competitive enough to care (we do have players who are), and the guys above me in rankings had cheated to get there, I should know about it.

When you cheat to gain items, we take the items away. When you cheat to gain victories, we should take those away too.

But do we really need a list to know who got their easy RPs of off save camping? Or who glitched a gem the other day? The word passed by players reaches everyone faster than an inaccurate list. Yes inaccurate, you've seen the posts on facebook by people who didn't make the cut into the list, even though we all saw the hilarious screenshots. Was it fair that GameSamba didn't give those troll kings their much earned place in the list?

We have a video of some Vaniteuses save camping a poor player(With a good taste in tinfoil hats) for 15 minutes. Why would an incomplete list be better than what players see for themselves? This is one of the problems with a list of names, it just gives you names, no exact proof of what those people did. Someone may as well just have said FUCK on general chat around someone allergic to the word fuck and got in trouble for it. Now that person can kiss goodbye to all the hot dark elf chicks because they think he's a troll.

Originally Posted by nohan

if people cheat for fun, we should take fun away too

a good way to do that is implementing alot of rules, and publishing a hall of shame on forums

i'd like to add that daar's post is a bit ironic, because he is basically crying that gamesamba has too many rules that wouldnt exist if they hadnt come place them, and saying how they arent needed but in Raven, he was one of the many that persued the way of the witchhunt, always recording people and trying to get them banned by making up idiotic excuses and showing vid to gm or putting on youtube, such as "save guard glitching" or "precise block animation bug abusing" those were my favourite ones, and if i recall you were banned for at least a day for trolling, the amount of personal attacks was too damn high but you held on to gameamba tightly always crying to a gm

My question doesnt need to be answered but if you wanna answer, why the sudden change in behaviour? all of a sudden there are too many rules?

Please, get your facts straight, I've never bitched about the number of rules, however, I bitch about dumb rules of which there are many and I'm sure you agree with too.

Of all the videos, only one of them was sent as a ticket to GameSamba(I think I also posted on their forums, but I am not sure), the rest of them were only shown to my friends which I've said already is the most effective way to expose cheaters and people who try to portrait themselves as noble players but are mostly caught doing not noble things. The precise block video was sent to NGD because it happened on Horus. Is there something wrong with reporting cheaters, anyway?

And about trolling... I don't troll. Ever. I was a victim in the situation you're referring. It's one thing to make a joke, it's another to provoke people to get a reaction out of them. I was not aware that the GM(Who's fired, btw!) lacked any sense of humor.

Originally Posted by nohan

awrath dont take sudden conclusions like that

That's a great advice, why don't you follow it yourself?

Originally Posted by nohan

, it has everything to do with it, if you played Raven you would know that many people on gamesamba forums actually wanted to expose the cheaters to public, daar was one of them was just saying how ironic it was :>

Evidence or gtfo.

[Evangeline]

Originally Posted by PT_DaAr_PT

But do we really need a list to know who got their easy RPs of off save camping? Or who glitched a gem the other day? The word passed by players reaches everyone faster than an inaccurate list. Yes inaccurate, you've seen the posts on facebook by people who didn't make the cut into the list, even though we all saw the hilarious screenshots. Was it fair that GameSamba didn't give those troll kings their much earned place in the list?

We have a video of some Vaniteuses save camping a poor player(With a good taste in tinfoil hats) for 15 minutes. Why would an incomplete list be better than what players see for themselves? This is one of the problems with a list of names, it just gives you names, no exact proof of what those people did. Someone may as well just have said FUCK on general chat around someone allergic to the word fuck and got in trouble for it. Now that person can kiss goodbye to all the hot dark elf chicks because they think he's a troll.



Please, get your facts straight, I've never bitched about the number of rules, however, I bitch about dumb rules of which there are many and I'm sure you agree with too.

Of all the videos, only one of them was sent as a ticket to GameSamba(I think I also posted on their forums, but I am not sure), the rest of them were only shown to my friends which I've said already is the most effective way to expose cheaters and people who try to portrait themselves as noble players but are mostly caught doing not noble things. The precise block video was sent to NGD because it happened on Horus. Is there something wrong with reporting cheaters?

And about trolling... I don't troll. Ever. I was a victim in the situation you're referring. It's one thing to make a joke, it's another to provoke people to get a reaction out of them. I was not aware that the GM(Who's fired, btw!) happened to have no sense of humor.



That's a great advice, why don't you follow it yourself?



Evidence or gtfo.

hmm lets c what can i reply to that

for starters :> you were never a victim hehe you were a vicious hunter, i dont need to "not" take sudden conclusions because i was there, and as for evidence or gtfo - i am not gonna dig on gamesamba's forum old threads just to make a point on a pointless thread

i do agree with you about gamesamba's rules but hard not to notice an irony in here

enuff said

[PT_DaAr_PT]

Originally Posted by nohan

hmm lets c what can i reply to that

for starters :> you were never a victim hehe you were a vicious hunter, i dont need to "not" take sudden conclusions because i was there, and as for evidence or gtfo - i am not gonna dig on gamesamba's forum old threads just to make a point on a pointless thread

enuff said

If you can't back up your false claims them don't make them in the first place. At least you could have made some shit up to sound more credible.

I may as well say that a GameSamba SGM was seen in camouflage around Herbred, leaking the locations of surrounding enemies in detail. People immediately go "Oh, I knew it!" even though I have no evidence to support my claim. I've just totally made this up but hadn't I said this people would have believed it anyway. And on top of that I am so original, too.

Did you believe for a second that a GM was seen in camouflage?

[erttzzadfk]

Dark Age-argument
Have a second look to history and tell me how our system of justice developed.
Now have a look to this modern i-net thing *wow..*.
I have to wear an identity card in rl. Do you have to make sure who you are in game too and why do we have to wear it all the time with us in rl?
When i'm agressive to someone else i'll be not allowed to come nearer then 400m again, have to pay money, will move to prison (kind of ban..) etc.
It's really easy to write a word like "inquisition" but i-net is an anarchic playground at all - and we all know this simple fact caused by anonymity.
When someone is cheating while toure de france..his name shouldn't be read in the newspapers later?
Bad examples? Why?
Cause this is the internet and we are talking about CHARACTER names of a game shown on a list in the www.
A free world on the one hand and a dark aged thing on the other hand with a much more rudimentary kind of contact between it's members.

Kissy publisher-argument
A publisher with harder rules is kissy to players? kk.
So tell me to who is a publisher kissy with softer rules?..
I really don't think the motivation for something is always the key to define positive or negative results of smth.

Too many rules kills the game
Perhaps some in here are right. Perhaps we should leave all forum- and ingame rules to get the maximum of fun out of this game....to take players the possibility to get attention by breaking them. *sarcasm*
GS didn't make new rules. They only show you who didn't likes to follow them in an mmorpg without anticheat, badwordlist, active admins in all servers 24/7, a working routine to handle savecampers (- wmc/ - krp), an ignorelist etc..
It's the result of their experience - not your own experience. It's a warning - an information, given to the other players.


Banlist doesn't change anything
That have to be simply wrong.
Newton's law III: For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.
So it'll change something for sure - let's find out what.
I read so many prophecys before updates... it's up to us to make us later.



PS: i'm still a german searching for the right english words..sry.

[Tigerious]

we all know this simple fact caused by anonymity.

Ahah I wonder in what world you are living.