wth syrtis

[Llayne]

Seriously, when we take herb what provokes you all to say 'Let's take meni!.'
and later when we take alg 'Let's take samal!'
Why is it you do everything but come to fight real players? Is it fun running around taking empty forts?

Surely you can see how a real realm will fight for their forts for hours as we do everyday. How fun would it be if every time a fort were captured for the realm that lost it to just run and take yours with no fort fights ever taking place? Should we all start acting as lame as you syrtis?

Grow a spine and come get your forts back. It isn't tactical to instead go take empty forts, it's just lame. So now passed 1 hour without fighting players but we have each others forts! fun stuff.

So this starts a chain reaction. We take Efe. You take Shaan. You take samal. We get samal. Then we Get meni. You take Alg. We get shaana back. All of this with no real fighting!

We fight for our forts for hours even when heavily outnumbered. You could show us the same courtesy lest all realms start acting as you do and the game becomes less fun for all.

[Acknor]

Originally Posted by Kaliek

Seriously, when we take herb what provokes you all to say 'Let's take meni!.'
and later when we take alg 'Let's take samal!'
Why is it you do everything but come to fight real players? Is it fun running around taking empty forts?

Surely you can see how a real realm will fight for their forts for hours as we do everyday. How fun would it be if every time a fort were captured for the realm that lost it to just run and take yours with no fort fights ever taking place? Should we all start acting as lame as you syrtis?

Grow a spine and come get your forts back. It isn't tactical to instead go take empty forts, it's just lame. So now passed 1 hour without fighting players but we have each others forts! fun stuff.

So this starts a chain reaction. We take Efe. You take Shaan. You take samal. We get samal. Then we Get meni. You take Alg. We get shaana back. All of this with no real fighting!

We fight for our forts for hours even when heavily outnumbered. You could show us the same courtesy lest all realms start acting as you do and the game becomes less fun for all.

If you are talking about the Horus night crew, there were only 6 of us. Our last track showed you with at least twice that number and you started by taking an empty fort (Alga) that we weren't any where near. We were patiently waiting for a nice fight at Herb. Who didn't want to fight people, eh?

As far as our tactics they made more sense than getting farmed, simple as that.

[Llayne]

Originally Posted by Acknor

As far as our tactics they made more sense than getting farmed, simple as that.

So I guess you are saying we should all start doing this when syrtis stacks 20-30+ in our forts every day? If anyone has cause to act like this it's Alsius and Ignis...

I guess it's true. When you don't have a zerg you simply will not fight. Or don't know how?

[VandaMan]

This is really nothing new, and I agree with Kal to an extent... although I'm rather surprised to see him posting like this. It's important to recognize that many of the ones farming samal for hours during the day aren't the same people who run to empty forts to avoid fights all night.

I really don't get too upset if we're dominating syrtis with twice their number in the field between the fort and the save, and they decide to run off to meni. The thing that bothers me is when they make one attempt, and then run to an empty fort or just sit at the save until we leave. I wasn't on for the specific situation being discussed, so I really can't say.

I do notice that syrtis tends to either take back their forts by outnumbering enemies 2 to 1, or by finding another way to force them out that doesn't require fighting. There are very few fights with syrtis (at forts) that I would call fun, whether my team is winning or not.

[UmarilsStillHere]

All realms do this (I have no idea why, but seems some in each realm like to fight NPCs a lot)

If Syrtis takes Samal, Alsius will often take Herb,
If Ignis takes Aggers Syrtis will sometimes take Trele
If Alsius takes Meni you can count on some Syrtis wanting to take Samal/Some Alsian fort
Often if Ignis take Efe Alsius take Herb or Alga

Or in the case of same realm same fort sometimes If Syrtis takes Samal, Ignis take Efe, or if Syrtis take Trele Alsius take Alga etc...

Or is Samal if camped some people will say 'lets go meni/shaana instead' thankfully though recently in my play time at least these people are told to stfu and its more fun to attack a camped fort than a empty castle.

Syrtis do often seem to take forts back just by zerging the shit off them, but what realm dosnt?

If we take Ignis trying to take a fort back as an example, say Syrtis starts with 30, Ignis with 20, slowly over time the zerg will be silly, lose the odd player than wont come back, some people on both sides may get bored/frustrated and log out we may be down to 23/17 now, then, eventually the bulk of Syrtis get silly and gets killed, probably in the same sultar spam storm they spent the last 2 hours farming Ignis with. Then numbers look more like 6/15 and Syrtis lose the fort soon after, thus by the end at least 'you zerged the fort'

Syrtis on the other hand simply have the numbers to do this right away most of the time, Ignis may take Herb with 15 people, and in a few mins Syrtis will have gathered 30, then Ignis get zerged.

Its rare that I see a even or smaller attacking force kick a defender force from a fort simply because its a very hard thing to do when the enemy have a fort to hide in.

[Shwish]

My realm wasnt involved in this specific event as far as i know but i dont think fingers should be pointed at the entire realm, but more so to a specific player or group of players.

What ive noticed in Alsius are players regrouping to take the 'Minor' fort (Menira or Algaros). At the regroup point, an arguement will start with some of the more experienced players (usually) plea-ing to go to Samal/Herbred instead because we will be sure to get a good fight there. I usually agree with this, taking an empty fort isnt fun at all. This arguement lasts anywhere between 15-30 minutes and results in realm chat being spammed with utter retardedness for lack of a better word.

My role in this is to try my best to keep the forces together, no matter where we plan to go. In Alsius we arent enough to split and maybe this was what happened in the Syrtis vs Ignius issue. One person thought it would be funny to attack a defensless fort and his 2 buddies agreed. The rest of the realm didnt see a point in splitting an already weakened force (ie the 'Night Crew') so they tagged along (probably after a heated debate about it).

My point is that there are those handful of people who take pleasure in easy an easy victory, it doesnt mean the whole realm is the same

[Minorian]

action is becoming divided, im not sure about alsius view, but here is my ignis view.

When we see a fort go under attack we all rush there. but most of the time its meni and we have no chance to get there and stop the attackers. when its at samal most of the time the attackers wont come without 15+ people, and on average Ignis will muster about 5 people for war(thankfully this number is increasing) If it's Syrtis, everyone groans, gets angry about the lame farming gelfs, a few dont go to avoid the farm, but most do go. Then for the next 1+ hrs Syrtis will farm us with normally around 3 to 1. I dont think Ive enjoyed a fight with Syrtis in a long, long time. When Alsius takes a fort, its all a different story.

If someone yells "goats at <insert fort here> everyone is exited, we know we're going to get a fun fight. Everyone rushes, but most of the time the fort is still taken. Normally the goats will have 4 or 5 more people, with the fort advAantage, but this is nowhere close to the frustration of 3 to 1. I never get annoyed with the goats, I ALWAYS enjoy forts with the goats, even if it takes almosy an hour to take back, because of 2 things, numbers, and playing style.

Goats will often not have too many more of us, whilst syrtis outnumber 3 to 1 (normally).

With playing style, goats come far out of the fort, and stay there. It is obvious they are looking for a good matched fight. And when we push them back to the fort, they dont just let us get on the door and then area spam, they come out along the walls and try to kill us.

When the gelfs play, its a whole different story. they rush, and kill the poor people all the way back to the save. Then they run back to the fort so Ignis never ever has a chance to kill them. This is incredibly boring and annoying to play against, the whole "were only looking for kills and rp, we dont want a real fight" attitude. Ive heard it before that its just a few that just want to sit at fort then farm rush, and my answer always is "So why dont the rest of you come and get a real fight away from the fort?"

And its not just at fort wars, syrtis almost always hunts in 2 or more, giving no chance for fun. When they go OC they have at least 5 on average, and run as soon as we get a group together.

Its just lame to fight gelfs, and not fun. I only enjoy the fights with our good goats

[ljrossi]

At least in RA most of time we do this to play "invasions",
if you want to play fight just go to Menira, and fight back.

Its a cold war.... sometimes.

[NotScias]

If it's Syrtis, everyone groans, gets angry about the lame farming gelfs, a few dont go to avoid the farm, but most do go.

Then for the next 1+ hrs Syrtis will farm us with normally around 3 to 1.

I'm sorry but I think there's really a big motivation problem in Ignis. Most of the times when we take Samal, we're not that many. The first Ignis waves will maybe be pretty decent but 2 or 3 waves after will remain only some unchallenging ones, while we discover that there's a Ignis zerg camping pb/limit. Well whatever, after long and boring minutes we finally decide to go Shaana where we discover a lvl4 very heavily camped fort with tons of lvl50s inside that we never saw at Samal, and even with our full zerg we don't even scratch the door there...

I also can't count how many times you waited for us to leave the fort to capture it, like one day after long minutes of boredom we go clean limite, at limit we see "Samal fort is under attack !", and when we go back we see like 20+ iggies on door and on road who kill us, same if we go to another fort, Samal is recaptured in few seconds after our leaving...
I can't count how many times you had a giant zerg at pb and even if we tried several times to kill you there we failed, and after like 40 min you went to zerg Algaros or Eferias because you didn't have the balls to come herb...
And I could give more examples.

Sorry but before threating the other realms as pussies and wet chickens, I think you should look at yourself before...

You're right on one point tho, fights with Alsius are way more fun... I still don't understand why our realm still bother to play with Ignis since you immediately hide and moan about our "overpopulation" when we capture one of your forts...

[Anyriand]

I'm sorry but I think there's really a big motivation problem in Ignis.

I've noticed this too. Lately Samal is either camped by ignis making it impossible to capture, or when it isn't Ignis doesn't seem to want to fight back, not even try. Not sure if it's because you simply don't have the numbers or...
I've been at Samal so many times without a single player from ignis in sight, we just end up taking Herb.


Every realm does something that for others might not seem like the right approach, like what I've mentioned above, or Syrtis fighting with us at pp and going to an empty Trelle after. But you can't blame a whole realm for it, and first of all it's important to look at how your realm does things too.