To all the high level grinders

ArchmagusArcana · 07-17-2009, 05:06 AM

If you cannot be bothered to take a break from your grinding and you are 40-45+, just quit, we dont need you here, seriously. This problem is a plague on Alsius/Horus and it brings the whole realm down when its the same 5 or 6 ppl defending a for or trying to take it back adn we are met by a wall of 'im too goddamn busy to help my realm in an RvR game.' Us high levels that are at every single engagement during our play time see people just not caring, and many leave, leaving us at a further disadvantage.

Its a F*UCKING war game FFS, if you dont want to be in war, leave, period. Im sure im going to earn some red karma here and make a lot of enemies here, but seriously, enough if enough, your accounts that you just use to grind take away rlm bonus to those of us that war and have a reason to level a character.

If it were once and a while, a few people every time, ok, fine, sometimes people have a limited amount of time on, or are semi afk, or for whatever reason, are not able to come to war. It happens, but not all the goddamn time. Lately its a wall of chat in alsius chat with the few of us that war begging for help constantly getting flamed and heckled for wanting a little help (it is a team game after all), or people just idly chatting or looking for high level grind parties. WTF, obviously if you are looking for a party, you are free for war.

It seems like every single time, ever, we need help, its the same few ppl there, and when going from place to place, i see the same ppl grinding in the wz (at least they grind in wz)....if you are already there, take 15 mins and help take back whats yours.

Yeah everyone needs to grind, but not when your forts are in enemy hands and they easily have a force capable of invasion, at that time, you man up, grow a pair, and strap on your ass-kicking boots to go fight for your realm.

Yeah, its a game, and people should be able to do what makes them happy, but if you want to grind, STFU and do it silently and dont rag on those of us trying to defend your ability to grind unmolested.

Oh and another thing

I HATE the argument "well come defend the gates when they are in danger" by then its usually too late. Spend a half hour taking back a fort or two hours at the gate babysitting....not really a very hard choice.

Sorry for the tone of this, but right now im downright disgusted with my realm, just absolutely disgusted that they cannot muster up the balls to come fight when you are needed.

/end rant

makarios68 · 07-17-2009, 06:52 AM

I see your point about the lack of fighters to defend, whilst there are people grinding. I've been there, it's annoying.

But you should remember that people often set their skills in a particular way to grind, and that set up may not be suitable for fort fighting. It's a bit of a drag to have to run to the trainer and get to the wz every time a fight breaks out.

And your argument seems to be basically that 'if you want to grind your character to 50, then leave the game!' A bit OTT don't you think?

The problem on Horus (especially for Alsius) is not caused by players grinding: it is simply that the server is drastically underpopulated.

Klutu · 07-17-2009, 07:48 AM

i hardly consider alsuis to be majorly underpopulated anymore we have the numbers yet people rather grind.

YES! getting lvl 50 is important but imo you should be waring while ur grinding to me i couldnt do it any other way.

when the realms being attacked i drop my grinding and go help out and i actually like it that way! it gives me a break from the non stop grind.

ArchmagusArcana · 07-17-2009, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by makarios68

I see your point about the lack of fighters to defend, whilst there are people grinding. I've been there, it's annoying.

But you should remember that people often set their skills in a particular way to grind, and that set up may not be suitable for fort fighting. It's a bit of a drag to have to run to the trainer and get to the wz every time a fight breaks out.

And your argument seems to be basically that 'if you want to grind your character to 50, then leave the game!' A bit OTT don't you think?

The problem on Horus (especially for Alsius) is not caused by players grinding: it is simply that the server is drastically underpopulated.

What i think i said, or at least what i meant was; if you only want to grind, then you may as well leave as the culmination of grinding is to war about 95% of the time.

I used to think that it was simply a matter of underpopulation, but its both, i see it ever single time there is a fort war. we have enough to defend them or take them back, when other realms dont have it in their head to invade, they just dont want to help out. Typical fort fight (lately) here lasts about 3 hours and is mostly the same 6 ppl fighting about 10-20, usually we have about one of each class present, so we die over and over and over again and its frustrating, and not at all fun, but if we didnt at least press the issue, soon they would be at imp, and then we would have to babysit the gate, while the same people that refused to help us before whine and cry about how we are going to lose our gems again.

3 hours is ample time to reskill, ive shown up to forts in a grind setup more than once and at least was able to take out a few baddies, so while it is true what you say, its not an excuse to not show up at all, or blatantly refuse to be a part of it, or ridicule or flame those of us that are trying to fight for our realm, or try to get people to help, thats what gets me the most: people being overtly counterproductive to the cause.

-Edge- · 07-17-2009, 08:06 AM

I'll be original and blame the game mechanics.

If the leveling system wasn't such a damn drag, then more people would play in war, and come to the game itself. Teach that to NGD though, its a RvR game yet somehow you need to spend months of periodic grinding to get to the RvR action.

Ulti19 · 07-17-2009, 08:18 AM

haha I completely see your point heartsfang.* Lately it seems everytime I log on it becomes a deathmarch to aggers from save 10000 times so that we don't get invaded.* I know the people that always go to the fort to get it back when asked and they always show up if we need help.* But really, if aggers has been occupied for 3 hours everyone should come, especially if you are lv 30+.* Because the same people who constanly fight over and over need the help.* And remember you might think you are not a big help at lv 30 but if like 10 lv 30's show it makes a huge difference, and it shows we are not pushovers.
Whip out your weapons when Alsius needs a fort back and hit an enemy player not a mob^^

Greyman_tle · 07-17-2009, 02:49 PM

1stly, only been playing for a couple of weeks...got some peeves but overall im enjoying the game...not near being able to go to war (from what ive heard about life expectancy under lv 30

but....

It seems to me that the easiest way to get lv 40+ to engage the enemy is to stop the respawn of the hight lvl monsters, mobs (not totally up on the lingo yet) in a realm when a fort is lost...so the grinders aint got anything to grind.

If the carrot don't work, use the big stick !

Nightchill · 07-17-2009, 03:15 PM

here and there i log in to alsius and yes... it's tragic to see a barely full party of us trying to retake fort and almost a full party afking at cs. oh and grinders at orc camp as well, most of them well over lvl 50.

i mean, i don't care really. my mains are in syrtis, and i'm a syrtis player. i couldn't care less what you do, but lately you're not pissing off your realm mates with this kind of behaviour but even your enemies (at least me) since we have no one to war against. you guys are like a punching bag.

Kyrottimus · 07-17-2009, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightchill

here and there i log in to alsius and yes... it's tragic to see a barely full party of us trying to retake fort and almost a full party afking at cs. oh and grinders at orc camp as well, most of them well over lvl 50.

i mean, i don't care really. my mains are in syrtis, and i'm a syrtis player. i couldn't care less what you do, but lately you're not pissing off your realm mates with this kind of behaviour but even your enemies (at least me) since we have no one to war against. you guys are like a punching bag.

Yeah, to those of us who constantly go to fight to retake forts, and to pass grinders on the way there, is a slap in the face. Seriously.

The "but I'm only set up for grinding!" argument is a crap. Unless you're on boosters, skill your player to be decent at both (I did through levels 24-50 on Kyrottimus and never to "reskill" from grinding to war and then back again). Hell, the only time I ever reskill is to fight Alasthor/Thorkul.

And Ultimate is right. I've seen (and even on my alternate) been party to x2 30's taking down a 50. If you know how to play your character a couple of 30's can literally turn the tide in a battle.

The only time I really don't show up to a fort war if Im grinding is if I'm planning to log within the next 10 minutes, then I usually just finish up my "circuit" and log out, not because I don't want to fight, but because RL stuff takes precedence.

Immune · 07-17-2009, 04:40 PM

I don't mean to sound like one of the "counterproductive" people, but although most of what you've said is true, going to war is still a *choice* of the player.

I agree that if you've been grinding for hours you should take a break and go to war, but some people just don't feel that way and you probably can't change that. You can only try to persuade them and hope they will listen.

I myself go to war (now lvl 38) but I do have to reskill for it or I am just a moving target. Multi-purpose setups like Kyro said are ok in theory, but in the long run will make them grind longer and be less effective in war when they decide to show up. Or at least, this is true for me.

I actually agree most with Edge, if leveling wasn't so hard people wouldn't be so reluctant to come to war imo.

07-17-2009, 05:06 AM	#1
ArchmagusArcana Master Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 357	To all the high level grinders If you cannot be bothered to take a break from your grinding and you are 40-45+, just quit, we dont need you here, seriously. This problem is a plague on Alsius/Horus and it brings the whole realm down when its the same 5 or 6 ppl defending a for or trying to take it back adn we are met by a wall of 'im too goddamn busy to help my realm in an RvR game.' Us high levels that are at every single engagement during our play time see people just not caring, and many leave, leaving us at a further disadvantage. Its a F*UCKING war game FFS, if you dont want to be in war, leave, period. Im sure im going to earn some red karma here and make a lot of enemies here, but seriously, enough if enough, your accounts that you just use to grind take away rlm bonus to those of us that war and have a reason to level a character. If it were once and a while, a few people every time, ok, fine, sometimes people have a limited amount of time on, or are semi afk, or for whatever reason, are not able to come to war. It happens, but not all the goddamn time. Lately its a wall of chat in alsius chat with the few of us that war begging for help constantly getting flamed and heckled for wanting a little help (it is a team game after all), or people just idly chatting or looking for high level grind parties. WTF, obviously if you are looking for a party, you are free for war. It seems like every single time, ever, we need help, its the same few ppl there, and when going from place to place, i see the same ppl grinding in the wz (at least they grind in wz)....if you are already there, take 15 mins and help take back whats yours. Yeah everyone needs to grind, but not when your forts are in enemy hands and they easily have a force capable of invasion, at that time, you man up, grow a pair, and strap on your ass-kicking boots to go fight for your realm. Yeah, its a game, and people should be able to do what makes them happy, but if you want to grind, STFU and do it silently and dont rag on those of us trying to defend your ability to grind unmolested. Oh and another thing I HATE the argument "well come defend the gates when they are in danger" by then its usually too late. Spend a half hour taking back a fort or two hours at the gate babysitting....not really a very hard choice. Sorry for the tone of this, but right now im downright disgusted with my realm, just absolutely disgusted that they cannot muster up the balls to come fight when you are needed. /end rant __________________ Alsirian Legion Horus: Wulfgar Heartsfang 50 barb: Arcan Heartsfang 50 Lock RA: Drakonklenok 50 Knight

07-17-2009, 07:48 AM	#3
Klutu Baron Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Canada Posts: 714	i hardly consider alsuis to be majorly underpopulated anymore we have the numbers yet people rather grind. YES! getting lvl 50 is important but imo you should be waring while ur grinding to me i couldnt do it any other way. when the realms being attacked i drop my grinding and go help out and i actually like it that way! it gives me a break from the non stop grind. __________________ Ramsli Klutu

07-17-2009, 08:18 AM	#6
Ulti19 Master Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 450	haha I completely see your point heartsfang.* Lately it seems everytime I log on it becomes a deathmarch to aggers from save 10000 times so that we don't get invaded.* I know the people that always go to the fort to get it back when asked and they always show up if we need help.* But really, if aggers has been occupied for 3 hours everyone should come, especially if you are lv 30+.* Because the same people who constanly fight over and over need the help.* And remember you might think you are not a big help at lv 30 but if like 10 lv 30's show it makes a huge difference, and it shows we are not pushovers. Whip out your weapons when Alsius needs a fort back and hit an enemy player not a mob^^ __________________

07-17-2009, 04:40 PM	#10
Immune Master Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: New York Posts: 279	I don't mean to sound like one of the "counterproductive" people, but although most of what you've said is true, going to war is still a choice of the player. I agree that if you've been grinding for hours you should take a break and go to war, but some people just don't feel that way and you probably can't change that. You can only try to persuade them and hope they will listen. I myself go to war (now lvl 38) but I do have to reskill for it or I am just a moving target. Multi-purpose setups like Kyro said are ok in theory, but in the long run will make them grind longer and be less effective in war when they decide to show up. Or at least, this is true for me. I actually agree most with Edge, if leveling wasn't so hard people wouldn't be so reluctant to come to war imo. __________________ This is a lie.

07-17-2009, 06:52 AM	#2
makarios68 Count Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: England Posts: 1,300	I see your point about the lack of fighters to defend, whilst there are people grinding. I've been there, it's annoying. But you should remember that people often set their skills in a particular way to grind, and that set up may not be suitable for fort fighting. It's a bit of a drag to have to run to the trainer and get to the wz every time a fight breaks out. And your argument seems to be basically that 'if you want to grind your character to 50, then leave the game!' A bit OTT don't you think? The problem on Horus (especially for Alsius) is not caused by players grinding: it is simply that the server is drastically underpopulated.

07-17-2009, 08:06 AM	#5
-Edge- Banned Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Łódż, Poland Posts: 1,506	I'll be original and blame the game mechanics. If the leveling system wasn't such a damn drag, then more people would play in war, and come to the game itself. Teach that to NGD though, its a RvR game yet somehow you need to spend months of periodic grinding to get to the RvR action.

07-17-2009, 02:49 PM	#7
Greyman_tle Initiate Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 154	1stly, only been playing for a couple of weeks...got some peeves but overall im enjoying the game...not near being able to go to war (from what ive heard about life expectancy under lv 30 but.... It seems to me that the easiest way to get lv 40+ to engage the enemy is to stop the respawn of the hight lvl monsters, mobs (not totally up on the lingo yet) in a realm when a fort is lost...so the grinders aint got anything to grind. If the carrot don't work, use the big stick !

07-17-2009, 03:15 PM	#8
Nightchill Banned Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 433	here and there i log in to alsius and yes... it's tragic to see a barely full party of us trying to retake fort and almost a full party afking at cs. oh and grinders at orc camp as well, most of them well over lvl 50. i mean, i don't care really. my mains are in syrtis, and i'm a syrtis player. i couldn't care less what you do, but lately you're not pissing off your realm mates with this kind of behaviour but even your enemies (at least me) since we have no one to war against. you guys are like a punching bag.