Pointless playing - Page 10

Hell_bound · 03-13-2008, 02:52 AM

I must say I just logged off from the game and there is no lag, not only that but the damn slow ass decent down hills or a cliff has been fixed too.

Rock on NGD, shows that these whiners on here like to talk a lot of shit!

Magister · 03-13-2008, 03:59 AM

Ok, one last attempt to show you the folly of your ways Hell.

You are under some misconception that the "lag" people complain about in game is directly related to their own personal internet connections. It is not. (Well not entirely in any case, I am sure a few people have crappy connections, but that's besides the point).

See, how the "net" works is basically like this:

Your Computer > Hop 1 to 10 for example > Whoever your trying to connect to.

It is a very simple thing to figure out if you are indeed causing the lag issues, you simply (in a windows environment in any case) do this:

Start > Run > CMD
tracert (ip address) and then you have the option of adding "switches" for various options.

This will basically follow and test your connection, from your computer, to each hop until it gets to the target ip address. Each hop is measured in MS (milliseconds) and lower is of course better.

Now, where you are connecting from, to where you are connecting to is of course an issue, however even people with pings as high as 300+ (ie: NA to Asia) can still play most games perfectly fine without feeling any "lag" issues at all, as long as the servers are properly configured and adequate resources are allocated to allow it to run smoothly for a specific number of people to use.

This is not the case in game, that is because it is due to a hardware issue on NGD's end, which is a server issue, which is very much their fault and their liability to maintain.

Which leads me to have to explain what lag is.

There are many forms of "lag", such as:

a) Video Lag (this would be the users issue with his own PC)
b) Net Congestion (this would be the users net having issues, ie: packet loss)
c) Server lag (this is NGD's issue atm)

Now, having said that. I will go on to elaborate.

If the server is having issues, such as having problems handling packets incoming from specific geographic locations (faulty router, DDOS attack, data center issue, etc), or loot generation tables are screwed up, or the server that spawns the mobs, or another misc. piece of hardware or anything of that nature. NGD is liable for it. These issues can create "lag" or what appears to be lag.

This is not something I am making up, look around at any online game free or not and you will see. Regardless, all free games always have some sort of business model, most free ones tend to use a cashshop. Some use advertising, or a combo of the two.

Either way, money is exchanging hands and thus they are held accountable. (Don't believe that they are accountable? I can give you 1 free to play game company right off the top of my head, that has been reported to the BBB for failure to maintain an expected level of enjoyment by numerous people and was almost shut down for it).

I have had this debate with countless people in countless games and every single time I am proven correct by the game company themselves. You don't have to take my word for it, go ahead and contact NGD yourself and ask them what they are liable for to their players. I assure you the answer they respond with will not be "nothing at all", or "Only cash shop items".

As for your replying to a quote saying that because people can login and use the items they purchased, lets NGD off the hook, you are mistaken. If the server lag is so horrible for the people buying items, that NGD is not maintaining a certain level of "enjoyment" in their game, in this case, due to restricting lag issues, then no, they cannot use the items to their full extent, example:

Bob the player buys an experience pot, he wants to go out and use it for the full hour, however due to crippling server issues, he only gets a small percentage of the usage time out of it.

Now is this bobs fault?, not in this case, because the server is having issues, that is why companies that run free models will generally offer things such as double xp/gold, or half off item mall items, etc to compensate players when they have server issues. This is not done out of the blue because they are nice (well, not always, sometimes they do hold events) this is done because they are liable to their customers who purchased items from them and were unable to use them properly for whatever reason.

As for the games status, as you can clearly see I have been around since 2006, I think I know what state the game is in at the moment. As I said, once they released the cash shop into the game, it ceased being in a testing phase (hence why they have a test server!).

I will refrain from any comments about anything else, so as to keep this on topic, however I will remark about one more thing:

Yes, It was poor form of me to call you a Moron, whether it's true or not, is not the case. Yes you are correct that I showed a lack of judgment using that word and I have no excuse, so I will apologize.

However, this again does not give you the right to go around calling people (the particular word you keep using) simply because you deem it acceptable. As many people have stated (and no doubt logged reports to the forum mods) they find it offensive, even by your definition you are still doing the exact same thing that you accused me of.

So, as my mother always said "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all".

Besides, if you lack the vocabulary to make people properly comprehend what ever idea or emotion you are trying to get across and thus resort to that type of language, that sounds more like it's your problem and not anyone else's.

Magister.

Hell_bound · 03-13-2008, 04:15 AM

Magister I cannot believe you wrote all that to respond to me!

Anyways, you are assuming that the problem stems from NGD. But my question is what if it isn't. You seem to entertain the idea that its solely NGD, for look how much you wrote to prove it, but not willing to consider other factors as well.

Yet out of all this you still haven't confronted the legal bases for why NGD is libel for the issue of lag, when the game is free.

I cannot believe that people go to these lengths to try and prove themselves.

Oh and by the way, I'm on Linux man and I know how to ping, traceroute write bash scripts and hack (just a bit) so spear me the lecture. I been on computers since the the days Texas Instruments came out with a home system, then I moved to an Amiga 500, A1200, 286, PI, A1200T, duo slotted PIII system which I built myself and built my PIV system, built a system for a company, friends, family members and also the company that family member owns.

Also even if you could prove that it stemmed from NGD, you still would have to find competent lawyers, judges and jurors who understand the technical aspects to be able to win in the court of law. You make it sound so easy, but in realty its not!

DemonMonger · 03-13-2008, 04:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hell_bound

An an enlightened individual speaks the wisest words, but none here understand this wisdom. Such it is with youth and talking to dimwits.

Now Solarus the truth is you harbor hate towards me because I choose to call a person you deify an idiot (or twat as the British meaning of the word reveals itself).

The fact of the matter is, you unenlightened fools, even the most intelligent people swear; for this has been recorded throughout history.

I also love how you boys fling your own ideas of morals around when they suite your needs, but are so willing to abandon them when the little slightest inconsistency approaches.

Damn fools.

You are alot like me... hehe I love you

Hell_bound · 03-13-2008, 04:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DemonMonger

You are alot like me... hehe I love you

Thank you kind master.

/bows to Demon Monger/

/and as he bows he notices that even the hell hounds are standing at attention/

Your presence is most welcomed here, for we are in need of wise battle torn warriors as yourself.

But I must tell you the poison has taken over almost everyone, and most here are babbling idiots.

And even I fear for my own life, least I become one of them.

I must now go master, for the cries of the hell hounds tell me that something is astir in Regnum.

May you always find what you seek and may your sight always be strong, master.

superdaveninja · 03-13-2008, 05:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hell_bound

Thank you kind master.

/bows to Demon Monger/

/and as he bows he notices that even the hell hounds are standing at attention/

Your presence is most welcomed here, for we are in need of wise battle torn warriors as yourself.

But I must tell you the poison has taken over almost everyone, and most here are babbling idiots.

And even I fear for my own life, least I become one of them.

I must now go master, for the cries of the hell hounds tell me that something is astir in Regnum.

May you always find what you seek and may your sight always be strong, master.

i sense a wedding coming

Cristovao · 03-13-2008, 05:12 AM

Could it be

ljwolfe · 03-13-2008, 05:32 AM

well, hell, you obviously learned nothing from your amiga. hahahahahahah

Angelwinged_Devil · 03-13-2008, 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by superdaveninja

i sense a wedding coming

can I be the priest DM

?

Leadoffhitter · 03-13-2008, 01:31 PM

The way justice or commerce works is not the same everywhere, but it's common that people thinks everything works the same way in every country. Culture, History, Politic system, etc have influence on social mechanisms that creates huge differences in every National system of laws and habits.

What could be interpreted as an awful customer service that could start a wave of complaints, in other country those complaints could be seen as an astonishing example of selfish attitude that don't try to understand the huge effort our provider is doing to provide something he's not really forced to give, even if it would mean the end of his businness.

Even if I can be wrong like all of us.

Have a nice day.

P.D.- This post don't try to cryticize any country in the whole world. Just trying to point, in case some of us forgot it, that world is not our home porch.

03-13-2008, 05:12 AM	#97
Cristovao Pledge Join Date: May 2007 Location: Portugal Posts: 37	Could it be __________________ CRISTOVAO BRUJO DEL IMPERIO DE IGNIS I always prefer alsius to sirtys,I mean no possibility of having a part of the family killed

03-13-2008, 05:32 AM	#98
ljwolfe Master Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 386	well, hell, you obviously learned nothing from your amiga. hahahahahahah __________________ Columba, Noob Marksman

03-13-2008, 02:52 AM	#91
Hell_bound Master Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 281	I must say I just logged off from the game and there is no lag, not only that but the damn slow ass decent down hills or a cliff has been fixed too. Rock on NGD, shows that these whiners on here like to talk a lot of shit!

03-13-2008, 03:59 AM	#92
Magister Pledge Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 24	Ok, one last attempt to show you the folly of your ways Hell. You are under some misconception that the "lag" people complain about in game is directly related to their own personal internet connections. It is not. (Well not entirely in any case, I am sure a few people have crappy connections, but that's besides the point). See, how the "net" works is basically like this: Your Computer > Hop 1 to 10 for example > Whoever your trying to connect to. It is a very simple thing to figure out if you are indeed causing the lag issues, you simply (in a windows environment in any case) do this: Start > Run > CMD tracert (ip address) and then you have the option of adding "switches" for various options. This will basically follow and test your connection, from your computer, to each hop until it gets to the target ip address. Each hop is measured in MS (milliseconds) and lower is of course better. Now, where you are connecting from, to where you are connecting to is of course an issue, however even people with pings as high as 300+ (ie: NA to Asia) can still play most games perfectly fine without feeling any "lag" issues at all, as long as the servers are properly configured and adequate resources are allocated to allow it to run smoothly for a specific number of people to use. This is not the case in game, that is because it is due to a hardware issue on NGD's end, which is a server issue, which is very much their fault and their liability to maintain. Which leads me to have to explain what lag is. There are many forms of "lag", such as: a) Video Lag (this would be the users issue with his own PC) b) Net Congestion (this would be the users net having issues, ie: packet loss) c) Server lag (this is NGD's issue atm) Now, having said that. I will go on to elaborate. If the server is having issues, such as having problems handling packets incoming from specific geographic locations (faulty router, DDOS attack, data center issue, etc), or loot generation tables are screwed up, or the server that spawns the mobs, or another misc. piece of hardware or anything of that nature. NGD is liable for it. These issues can create "lag" or what appears to be lag. This is not something I am making up, look around at any online game free or not and you will see. Regardless, all free games always have some sort of business model, most free ones tend to use a cashshop. Some use advertising, or a combo of the two. Either way, money is exchanging hands and thus they are held accountable. (Don't believe that they are accountable? I can give you 1 free to play game company right off the top of my head, that has been reported to the BBB for failure to maintain an expected level of enjoyment by numerous people and was almost shut down for it). I have had this debate with countless people in countless games and every single time I am proven correct by the game company themselves. You don't have to take my word for it, go ahead and contact NGD yourself and ask them what they are liable for to their players. I assure you the answer they respond with will not be "nothing at all", or "Only cash shop items". As for your replying to a quote saying that because people can login and use the items they purchased, lets NGD off the hook, you are mistaken. If the server lag is so horrible for the people buying items, that NGD is not maintaining a certain level of "enjoyment" in their game, in this case, due to restricting lag issues, then no, they cannot use the items to their full extent, example: Bob the player buys an experience pot, he wants to go out and use it for the full hour, however due to crippling server issues, he only gets a small percentage of the usage time out of it. Now is this bobs fault?, not in this case, because the server is having issues, that is why companies that run free models will generally offer things such as double xp/gold, or half off item mall items, etc to compensate players when they have server issues. This is not done out of the blue because they are nice (well, not always, sometimes they do hold events) this is done because they are liable to their customers who purchased items from them and were unable to use them properly for whatever reason. As for the games status, as you can clearly see I have been around since 2006, I think I know what state the game is in at the moment. As I said, once they released the cash shop into the game, it ceased being in a testing phase (hence why they have a test server!). I will refrain from any comments about anything else, so as to keep this on topic, however I will remark about one more thing: Yes, It was poor form of me to call you a Moron, whether it's true or not, is not the case. Yes you are correct that I showed a lack of judgment using that word and I have no excuse, so I will apologize. However, this again does not give you the right to go around calling people (the particular word you keep using) simply because you deem it acceptable. As many people have stated (and no doubt logged reports to the forum mods) they find it offensive, even by your definition you are still doing the exact same thing that you accused me of. So, as my mother always said "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all". Besides, if you lack the vocabulary to make people properly comprehend what ever idea or emotion you are trying to get across and thus resort to that type of language, that sounds more like it's your problem and not anyone else's. Magister.

03-13-2008, 04:15 AM	#93
Hell_bound Master Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 281	Magister I cannot believe you wrote all that to respond to me! Anyways, you are assuming that the problem stems from NGD. But my question is what if it isn't. You seem to entertain the idea that its solely NGD, for look how much you wrote to prove it, but not willing to consider other factors as well. Yet out of all this you still haven't confronted the legal bases for why NGD is libel for the issue of lag, when the game is free. I cannot believe that people go to these lengths to try and prove themselves. Oh and by the way, I'm on Linux man and I know how to ping, traceroute write bash scripts and hack (just a bit) so spear me the lecture. I been on computers since the the days Texas Instruments came out with a home system, then I moved to an Amiga 500, A1200, 286, PI, A1200T, duo slotted PIII system which I built myself and built my PIV system, built a system for a company, friends, family members and also the company that family member owns. Also even if you could prove that it stemmed from NGD, you still would have to find competent lawyers, judges and jurors who understand the technical aspects to be able to win in the court of law. You make it sound so easy, but in realty its not!

03-13-2008, 01:31 PM	#100
Leadoffhitter Initiate Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 208	The way justice or commerce works is not the same everywhere, but it's common that people thinks everything works the same way in every country. Culture, History, Politic system, etc have influence on social mechanisms that creates huge differences in every National system of laws and habits. What could be interpreted as an awful customer service that could start a wave of complaints, in other country those complaints could be seen as an astonishing example of selfish attitude that don't try to understand the huge effort our provider is doing to provide something he's not really forced to give, even if it would mean the end of his businness. Even if I can be wrong like all of us. Have a nice day. P.D.- This post don't try to cryticize any country in the whole world. Just trying to point, in case some of us forgot it, that world is not our home porch.