Confuse: keep or remove? - Page 10

ieti · 09-06-2010, 12:42 PM

Even in hybrid build that most of conjus use, what you will do against SoTW hunter with pet? My build always include mental to silence and pretty high Staff Mastery. What you will do - hunter evades like mad, pet pounces you, from mental works only pick and beetle. Both they will be evaded by huntner, pet is so on drugs that do not really care. You are dead meat. The only thing that can save you is that confuse gets resisted and you manage to cast Steel Skin.

You can ask all conjus on every servers for setup - hybrid setups do not save you from hunters. You got to have real offensive aka warju setup to have a chance in this situation. Even then you are 80%+ dead.

Karma, Po, Asdaf will not point this magic setup because it is impossible. You get caught by confuse with less than a steel skin or at least karma mirror - you are dead.

Results by poll are not accurate. This type of choices have dual meaning, so this leads to wrong results.

PT_DaAr_PT · 09-06-2010, 12:50 PM

Keeping ''cannot cast non-damaging spells'' and just reducing time or adding a success chance won't get rid of the OPness. Won't solve the problems. Most people who want to keep it just don't realise that.

AntibioTsu · 09-06-2010, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by PT_DaAr_PT

Keeping ''cannot cast non-damaging spells'' and just reducing time or adding a success chance won't get rid of the OPness. Won't solve the problems.

To get rid of the OPness Conjurers alone must have a way to counter it; until that happens Confuse will be OP, because when cast on other classes it just isnt that bad (well it is, but it's acceptable).

Knight's Protect Ally surely is a great new spell and will help to clean confuse out of Conjus, but they're a melee class so they'll be fighting ahead, not next to the Conjurers and if they want to dispel they have to be at 0 range on the target.

Since NGD won't give us their "view" about this spell and explain exactly what is the point of it (I still cannot believe they want a fun gameplay for Conjurer with this spell in existance); I hope they'll answer it on the official final thread.

ncvr · 09-06-2010, 01:15 PM

I'll keep it short, because there is no point in making an extended argument at this stage about why confuse needs to be changed.

Support conjurers are there to support their team. People do not make support conjurers because they want to fucking be supported by their team, they do so to support their team.

NotScias · 09-06-2010, 02:05 PM

Oh and don't forget that after balance update, Confuse will work 100% if ambush works (since players won't be able to evade/resist under knock)...

This will be worse than before...

blood-raven · 09-06-2010, 02:25 PM

what i think confuse should do is just block the ability to buff yourself, even block ambitious sacrifice and heal self but not spells that influence other ppl like heal ally and co, summon, buff ally and co, offencive cc's etc.

but i still like the duration lowered to something around 20 at 5.

regards

doppelapfel · 09-06-2010, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by blood-raven

what i think confuse should do is just block the ability to buff yourself, even block ambitious sacrifice and heal self but not spells that influence other ppl like heal ally and co, summon, buff ally and co, offencive cc's etc.

but i still like the duration lowered to something around 20 at 5.

regards

Then it would be still overpowered in 1on1. Hunters disabling all your buffs for 30 or even 35 seconds from camo when you are completly unbuffed.
I prefer it the other way round, selfbuffing but no healing, mana or buffs for allys and no non damging ccs.

blood-raven · 09-06-2010, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by doppelapfel

Then it would be still overpowered in 1on1. Hunters disabling all your buffs for 30 or even 35 seconds from camo when you are completly unbuffed.
I prefer it the other way round, selfbuffing but no healing, mana or buffs for allys and no non damging ccs.

ok but would you allow heal self and abitious too?

HuntShot · 09-06-2010, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by HidraA

Uselees comment ever....

says you?

so useless comment ever is soo useful

you really dont like me do you?
did I own you in ze WZ or what? damn dont go be a cry baby, cry baby

Anyway
I get that you guys try to nerf Confuse but still its one of our most usefull spells we really dont want to miss it.

Myxir · 09-06-2010, 03:24 PM

It would be all way way easier if Mind Blank would have a chance to resist confuse as well.
Add it and support conjurers are fine with it.

View Poll Results: Should the current Confuse spell be removed?
Yes, remove it	87	50.00%
No, keep it.	87	50.00%
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09-06-2010, 12:42 PM	#91
ieti Count Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Sofia, Bulgaria Posts: 1,374	Even in hybrid build that most of conjus use, what you will do against SoTW hunter with pet? My build always include mental to silence and pretty high Staff Mastery. What you will do - hunter evades like mad, pet pounces you, from mental works only pick and beetle. Both they will be evaded by huntner, pet is so on drugs that do not really care. You are dead meat. The only thing that can save you is that confuse gets resisted and you manage to cast Steel Skin. You can ask all conjus on every servers for setup - hybrid setups do not save you from hunters. You got to have real offensive aka warju setup to have a chance in this situation. Even then you are 80%+ dead. Karma, Po, Asdaf will not point this magic setup because it is impossible. You get caught by confuse with less than a steel skin or at least karma mirror - you are dead. Results by poll are not accurate. This type of choices have dual meaning, so this leads to wrong results. __________________ RA \| Ignis \| Lilla My \| Conjurer \| EVIL IGNIS ROCK Horus \| Syrtis \| ieti \| Conjurer \| INQUISITION \| LONG GONE

09-06-2010, 12:50 PM	#92
PT_DaAr_PT Baron Join Date: May 2008 Location: Portugal Posts: 940	Keeping ''cannot cast non-damaging spells'' and just reducing time or adding a success chance won't get rid of the OPness. Won't solve the problems. Most people who want to keep it just don't realise that. __________________ Daar

09-06-2010, 02:05 PM	#95
NotScias Baron Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: /dev/null Posts: 766	Oh and don't forget that after balance update, Confuse will work 100% if ambush works (since players won't be able to evade/resist under knock)... This will be worse than before... __________________ 天 The other realm awaits... Now playing much better games

09-06-2010, 02:25 PM	#96
blood-raven Master Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Belgium Posts: 561	what i think confuse should do is just block the ability to buff yourself, even block ambitious sacrifice and heal self but not spells that influence other ppl like heal ally and co, summon, buff ally and co, offencive cc's etc. but i still like the duration lowered to something around 20 at 5. regards __________________ SHAKE IT LIKE A POLAR BEAR NINJA

09-06-2010, 01:15 PM	#94
ncvr Marquis Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 2,439	I'll keep it short, because there is no point in making an extended argument at this stage about why confuse needs to be changed. Support conjurers are there to support their team. People do not make support conjurers because they want to fucking be supported by their team, they do so to support their team.

09-06-2010, 03:24 PM	#100
Myxir Count Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Germany Posts: 1,164	It would be all way way easier if Mind Blank would have a chance to resist confuse as well. Add it and support conjurers are fine with it. __________________ French Warriors of Syrtis: Nessa Telrunya (Hunter) - Myxir (Warlock) - Estra (Conjurer) In War it does not matter who is right, but who is left.