Marskman Overpowerd!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[valterbla]

Originally Posted by dyckman13

Dark u know what you do... u personaly make a marks

Arr I already have one^^ (two in truth)
And you bet that just to mobs get me, they never get me

[CumeriTarenes]

I thought, I hoped, we finished the discussion with Edge's post...but again you start comparing apples with with pears. Stop it, people allready start laughing about it (and you)

[Angelwinged_Devil]

Originally Posted by dyckman13

Man my head hurts from this crap, Dark u know what you do... u personaly make a marks and see what it takes for our awsome defense but not have all of our dmg skills high the farthes u can have is evasion on 15 but that doesnt work out too well but its something. or simply DONT complain anymore

no they can't hit as hard but on the other hand they won't die as well

Originally Posted by cumeritarenes

I thought, I hoped, we finished the discussion with Edge's post...but again you start comparing apples with with pears. Stop it, people allready start laughing about it (and you)

why should it be finished? If some people can't manage a polite discussion it's their fault really and eveyrthing else than valid points should be ignored

[valterbla]

Originally Posted by CumeriTarenes

I thought, I hoped, we finished the discussion with Edge's post...

I thought too but, You started again

[BlooD]

Originally Posted by Angelwinged_Devil

I agree with you edge, but not completely, I complain if I see something which is in my opinion not as it should be or that I find wrong, but if someone can prove me otherwise I'm ok with that. But I'm 100% with you that I'm not into people complaining just for the sake of complaining and have the "strongest class" cause in the end when everything is balanced it'll end up with who has the best strategy and understanding of his own class who will be better .

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QFT!

16 avoided opinions

[valterbla]

Originally Posted by CumeriTarenes

a) from the picture I see you use not a slow weapon, the marks used a slow bow for sure

Tcheeeeeee omg omg omg DDDDDD If you saw the pic, I think that the guy is on it got a Claymore, But now i have my memory kidda bad, is a Claymore for Barbarians Slow or faster?
I Really think is slow

[Boger]

Well, now barbs got dmg fucked, and started using caution + frenzy, what makes them harder than some knights bravo NGD

[CumeriTarenes]

You really seem to cry for attention valerbla. Why do you response to it now...so much posts later?
Maybe you are right and it is a slow weapon. Since I don't play a barb I don't really know it. But don't correct me now, it is really too late.

AWD said we should discuss valid things. Yes, we should do, but actually now it is a very bad timing to dig out this fact. Seems like you really look for valid arguments now...and this one was the only you found.

By the way, I didn't start with it, read again, please.
Again my question: What is your aim, what do you want to reach with this thread? Do you want you barb hitting harder? Do you want marks to hit like a girl? Do you want to take hunters defense (remember: you hit this low dmg on a hunter, not on a marks)

I agree that marks have good defense spells, but actually mages, wich are ranged too, have defense spells as well. Defense spells are not only self protection spells, you should also take in consideration all spells that make the enemy unable to attack, to cast spells or that takes buffs from the enemy.
About barbs I don't know about defense spells, but they have at leas the advantage that they can kill someone very fast because of their damge and that they have more hp than the other offensive classes.

In general I think that almost all classes can have either a good defense or a good offense. It is caused by game mechanics since you have limited discipline and power points. You ahve to decide, do you want to kill fast, or do you want to survive long. Since barbs kill fast from nature they die more often.

[valterbla]

Originally Posted by CumeriTarenes

You really seem to cry for attention valerbla. Why do you response to it now...so much posts later?
Maybe you are right and it is a slow weapon. Since I don't play a barb I don't really know it. But don't correct me now, it is really too late.

AWD said we should discuss valid things. Yes, we should do, but actually now it is a very bad timing to dig out this fact. Seems like you really look for valid arguments now...and this one was the only you found.

By the way, I didn't start with it, read again, please.
Again my question: What is your aim, what do you want to reach with this thread? Do you want you barb hitting harder? Do you want marks to hit like a girl? Do you want to take hunters defense (remember: you hit this low dmg on a hunter, not on a marks)

I agree that marks have good defense spells, but actually mages, wich are ranged too, have defense spells as well. Defense spells are not only self protection spells, you should also take in consideration all spells that make the enemy unable to attack, to cast spells or that takes buffs from the enemy.
About barbs I don't know about defense spells, but they have at leas the advantage that they can kill someone very fast because of their damge and that they have more hp than the other offensive classes.

In general I think that almost all classes can have either a good defense or a good offense. It is caused by game mechanics since you have limited discipline and power points. You ahve to decide, do you want to kill fast, or do you want to survive long. Since barbs kill fast from nature they die more often.

First: is VALTERBLA not valerbla
Second: I don't cry for attention cuz, im not like God of Silver of Azakcry
Third:Yes you started, You said

Originally Posted by CumeriTarenes

I agree Edge, I cannot hear complainments about the classes anymore.

The reason why I took part on this discussion is that Valterbla wanted to point on weak barbs at the expense of marksman. The thread title says it all...

and then now you continue.

Fouth: I don't have any problem of people laught about me^^
Five:The point of the post is: Barbarians got weaked and Marskmans got strong for wat im seeing lately.
Six:The

Originally Posted by CumeriTarenes

they can kill someone very fast

there's a thing: Barbarians only have Medium, Slow and Very Slow weapons, Medium weapons do almost no dmg, slow is medium dmg and very slow is
+ maybe 50 dmg so you take ages to kill and by other things, to kill very fast, you lose lots of lots of mana and all protection and evasion.
Seven:

Originally Posted by CumeriTarenes

About barbs I don't know about defense spells

You don't know any defese magic because barbarians don't have any defense magic^^ only one^^ and isn't big thing.
Eight:

Originally Posted by CumeriTarenes

do you want to kill fast, or do you want to survive long. Since barbs kill fast from nature they die more often.

Looks you aren't that high lvl to make things that trouble barbs. I don't know if you know but, a simgle bad buff DESTROY Onslaught, making really hard to run.
If you wanna kill a barb and your a marsk, knock and when barbs get near u, do freeze arrow and then run and then kill and blablabla.

Here are all your answers

[BlooD]

You cant rely on defense spells who need to be launched on someone for many reasons:

-They can be resisted, i can launch 2 types of dizzy on you and swarm but i am sure at least 1 of them will be resisted by spell elude or evasion.

-They have cooldown, if you resist them i can´t use them again inmediately most of them have enough cooldown time to have the pj killed before he can use them again.

-Most of them can only be used on a single pj, defense spells like army of one or acrobatic work with the attacks of many pjs while attacks like stunning fist or ambush will only work on one so are not higly effective on fort wars like them.

I agree with, you this can be a perfect defense for many classes but if i cant use them because you resist them and you have more range (a marksman can dizz al classes in this game before they reach their own range) there is no defense then.

Originally Posted by Boger

Well, now barbs got dmg fucked, and started using caution + frenzy, what makes them harder than some knights bravo NGD

I dont get you point here, every barbs i know used frenzy for long time and caution is used now because they removed the -10% movement speed reduction.

Valterbla Yeah they can stop you onslaugth with ambush or freeeze but you can stop all that effects with Unstoppable madness. And please dont talk about the mana like is a big deal, a marksman need mana comunions and sinergy bonds a lot more than a barb and this is a rvr based game so the conjurers help you with that things. Being buffed is not a excepcional thing, all barb buff themselves before figth and wait for their moment to attack.