Why does everyone hates hunters?

[Angelwinged_Devil]

Originally Posted by CumeriTarenes

SotW? Speed? dodge? Hunters are made to escape...

they are now, but I think the intention is to make them stalkers, not escapers .

Originally Posted by cumeritanes

So the difference in evade chance between all classes is still the same.
Why start whining now? It was like that for ever.

dude, I've been "complaining" about it for a long time now

Originally Posted by cumeritanes

But...actually I cannot believe, that archers evasion is so high. I don't see, that I evade much more hits/spells than other people I hit. And I spend a lot of points in evasion and I use some items that help to evade.

and again...I evade 1 or 2 more spells in a battle than a mage, yes....but I also spend 1 or 2 spells to break energy barrier of mages

And a lot of warlok/barb spells deal more damage than an archer spell...so it would be justified that archers evade more

I don't think so...

There was a time when warlocks were the masters of the war zone, it was better because: they were still killable, even with a lot of offence they had a weak defence which could easily be slapped, and it helped that soulkeeper/vampirism didn't require the warlock to have lost hp to use it, then he would use soulkeeper to damage instead of stealing hp and suddenly he had a countdown on 1 minute which he could have used to steal hp instead.

Originally Posted by yest

When I hear people like AWD whine about such high evade rates I wonder who they're hitting, since when I'm hit I don't evade that much. I know I'm a level 37 hunter, but even with acrobatic and spell elude on it doesn't make that much difference.

Originally Posted by yest

And why, AWD, are warlock allowed to use the 'spell can be evaded, so it doesn't count' argument

my point is that some people complain(mostly archers) "oh you have such high damage spell/attack it hits for 1000 damage o nooooo" kinda thing is dull when it does not hit. Do you understand me?

Originally Posted by yest

but do all our spells count, even if no archer can have them all at the same time, let alone at level 5. But I tried to say something like that in my previous post. AWD, if I as allowed to use your logic on the hunters, like you do on warlocks, hunters would be the most weakest class in Regnum and needed more power fast in order to restore balance...

I think you're misunderstanding me, I just don't like the current hunter class how it's being meddled with

Originally Posted by yest

Being mad at hunters who escape, even when they're low level, is like being mad at a low-level conjurer who heals and revives. It is our function!

again it's not intended to be an escaping everything you can class but a "hunter" hunters go out, find their prey stalks it and brings it down when its most vulnerable, it's much more fun to get in a fight like that than a lot of noobs coming to shoot a few arrows then run off again like chickens with feathers on fire

Originally Posted by yest

You are mad when your spells can't hit a level 50 hunter, but hunters of your level shouldn't be able to evade or escape, because they're too low? That doesn't make any sense.

I think you misunderstand me and so does a lot of other people who underestimate me because I'm not level 50.
I'm not mad because I can't hit with my spells. Please read another post of mine about the challenge.

Originally Posted by yest

EDIT: I just saw that the majority of the voters(23 of 56) hate hunters. I think NGD needs to explain the role of the hunter better, because now people are angry at us, because they say we use cheap tactics. Well, that's our purpose.)

I didn't vote, because none of them applies to me, I don't hate the hunter, I just dislike how it's being balanced.

Originally Posted by Hell_Bound

This is the most stupidest statement I have ever seen in my life - a "whore army shooting at an archer" yet not able to take him down? One archer, a whole army?

a whore army ?
Anyway, I've witnessed it from both sides, last time I was lying dead and see my archer realm mates being able to escape without any trouble

oh, and I'm not whining >_<
and second, please don't assume I want a hunter weak and debate from my viewpoints instead of assuming things about me.

[misaccc]

Originally Posted by Angelwinged_Devil

There was a time when warlocks were the masters of the war zone, it was better because: they were still killable, even with a lot of offence they had a weak defence which could easily be slapped, and it helped that soulkeeper/vampirism didn't require the warlock to have lost hp to use it, then he would use soulkeeper to damage instead of stealing hp and suddenly he had a countdown on 1 minute which he could have used to steal hp instead.

no thats crap...you would die before reaching them...and you still had vamipirism...and no class should be the "master of the war zone"...and imho hunters are not overpowered...you just need to adjust your fighting techinques to kill them...

[Znurre]

I agree with you misacc 100%.
Hunter's aint that hard to kill if you know what you are doing, ofcourse it depends on the hunter.

Problem here is that hunters can cast SoW + Camo and you have 10% chance, if not less, to stop it.
In my opinion, escaping is not tactics, and I want that to change.

[Angelwinged_Devil]

Originally Posted by misaccc

no thats crap...you would die before reaching them...and you still had vamipirism...and no class should be the "master of the war zone"...and imho hunters are not overpowered...you just need to adjust your fighting techinques to kill them...

staff mastery sucks to fight with , the warlock class shouldn't change just because they can't hit hunters with their spells, teamwork anyone?

But no, no class should be the master of the war zone, I never stated that, I just stated that it was better.

[CumeriTarenes]

AWD, do I missunderstand you when I say you think hunters are the masters of the warzone at the moment?

[Hell_bound]

Yet again I am compelled to step in and demystify the rantings of individuals of this forum.

Originally Posted by ljwolfe

... hunters... We could not come close to catching them. I don't mind that the mage was cannon fodder with 4 of us there. I do mind that they had such high escapability tools that we couldn't catch them even after they ganked someone in our midst. It's a bit imbalanced.

First, have you ever tried running after a barb?

Second, that which you claim to mind is that hunters have a high escape rate, which occurred after your mage got whacked.

Now although some might feel sympathetic to your statements here; the truth is you were not expecting hunters to come up and roll over your asses.

Since this is the case the error is with you and your party, not in the abilities of the hunter class.

Calling something imbalanced because you were not mindful of the risks involved is rather twat-ish, no?

But let it be known that your whining hasn't fallen on deaf ears at NGD, for soon (one day) NGD will put in place the un-camo area spell.

Then wankers like yourself (or is it pt's?) wont have anything to whine about when it comes to the hunter class (well, at least one can hope).

[Angelwinged_Devil]

Originally Posted by CumeriTarenes

AWD, do I missunderstand you when I say you think hunters are the masters of the warzone at the moment?

master=overpowered, yes... but that's all a matter of opinion

[fluffy_muffin]

Originally Posted by Znurre

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In my opinion, escaping is not tactics, and I want that to change.

Oh yes it is. And is damn good one.
Proof? I runed on barb marks and warlock. Warlock was to slow he didn't use slow or ivy. Marks was 50 but he forgot abut ambush and winter strike. They chased me from Samal. I had 1/2 health. They did not killed my pet. When we reached camp orc only barb was on my neck. And i had full hp and mana. Buffs, ambush, tear apart, stuning fist and he was half dead. Some duals and dodge&pray. Escaping is damn good tactic. I love when barbs are chasing me. They often do not think about own buffs, only sprint or onslought.

And i am sure that barb with 200hp will run like hell if there will be chance to stay alive (not from battle ofc).

[Znurre]

Originally Posted by zielski

And i am sure that barb with 200hp will run like hell if there will be chance to stay alive (not from battle ofc).

I would not do that, if I was not facing more than 3 enemies.
But there are hunters who run from me, 1vs1, when they have low hp.

[fluffy_muffin]

Originally Posted by Znurre

I would not do that, if I was not facing more than 3 enemies.
But there are hunters who run from me, 1vs1, when they have low hp.

If i run away from barb i do that only to get distance and mana i do not have 300kg hammer and ambush is 1,5 sec to cast. So i need space :]
But you probably think about ESCAPING ;]
Last time when i escaped from 1on1... it was a warjuror who ignored my waving and killed my pet. I do not like when someone do that so i was back soon :]

Time to sleep a bit.