Care about realm numbers - Horus

[Klutu]

Originally Posted by king_domini

Bump, this is kinda important.

30+ vs. 10+ gets kinda old...

no need to flame but Ignis does the same to Alsius every night :P

[Bladnoch]

Last time I properly concentrated on the population difficulties with Alsius, we were the underdog realm by a long way and the delfs/gelfs toppled over us all day long. Now it seems Ignis has been stamped on and Syrtis remains victorious. *sigh*

Despite realm bonuses and quests taking you from 20 to 30 in the snowy atmosphere, the excitement of going for the Goodie Realm (Syrtis) or the Baddie Realm (Ignis) seems so much more appeasing to newbies than the Dwarf/WeTrade/Goat Realm. Heck, even I went for Syrtis. Why? Because I was a newbie who didn't care about bonuses and facts, I like the colour green and I wanted to be a nice leaf elf.

I'd be surprised if NGD takes this conundrum by the horns - if they do anything too drastic, people will complain it's too extreme. If they barely touch it, people will complain they aren't doing enough. Best to leave it and get on with solving problems that keep both the company and community alive.

Which leads me onto you. The community. You're the ones who have a problem with this, and blow me down you're the ones causing it. This includes me too so don't think I'm trying to offend everyone, I'm just trying to make a very bold point.
If it wasn't for all of yous who love the colour green and wanted to be nice leaf elf, we wouldn't be in this goshdarnit situation. Take this problem into your own hands and give NGD less to think about - if any gelfs are brave enough to turn to the dark/goat side, we might all benefit here.

Except for Syrtis.

But no one cares about Syrtis at the moment, they're zerging two-thirds of the nation.

[Gideon_Slack]

Originally Posted by Solarus

Sadly not much can be done when syrtis is occupying a fort. It's typically 4-to-1 odds. Sadly, alsius pretty much doesn't fight anymore...they just go wait at Imp to upgrade and defend. However, to be honest this is NGDs fault for not managing realm population. Just because a realm has +RLM bonus doesn't mean people are going to go to it - and that has been the case.

I came back to RO after being away for a year; and the one big problem I can identify with Alsius is the cattiness in realm and general chat.

There are a fair number of players who give unasked-for criticism of other's playing styles, build decisions, equipment and so forth. If you are on the receiving end of this, why then would you want to answer a call to fight? You can have more fun grinding and retaking a realm fort periodically than having to deal with that aggravation. Most people play an MMO for relaxation after all. And the more people put on ignore because of this behaviour, the less realm cohesion you are going to have.

Are the other realms like this? Or is this just Alsius?

(Maybe clan leaders could make sure their members are more polite, with less flaming in realm chat or general chat during hunts/battles. I notice on the Inquisition website they have a code of conduct for members that would seem to forbid abusing others).

[Saltor]

Some clan leaders will ask people to tone down a bit when things get heated. The big target for anger since I started playing has been Warjus in the WZ (guilty on this one myself, and I will keep complaining). My favorite is the "The WZ is the game" vs the "STFU and let me grind" camps debating.

I'm told be a few multi-realmers that Syrtis realm chat is consistantly dumber than Alsius .. which I find hard to believe, but that's what I'm told. Word is that Ignis has no sense of humor, which I interprate to mean that they smack down jokers, trolls, and idiots quickly.

[_Xyan_]

Originally Posted by Klutu

no need to flame but Ignis does the same to Alsius every night :P

I didn't Mean to sound like I was flaming, my apologies.

Every realm on horus has a time when they have a greater number on then other realms. Syrtis seems to almost always have the ability to zerg. And Ignis and Alsius occasionaly are able too. Simply put Farming gets old for the zerg and those getting farmed, and absolutely ruins some of the fun.

The biggest problem with this, as I see it, is the Invasion system. We'll use Syrtis attacking Ignis as an example:

If Syrtis takes Samal, and Ignis doesn't have enough to retake it. Ignis is still forced to keep fighting Syrtis at Samal. If Ignis decides to let Syrtis rot in Samal. Syrtis then takes Shaan... and Tick-tock the timer starts.... Now the outnumbered Ignis army has little chance of getting Shaana or Samal back. Of course there is always the option to camp Shaana, however this gets boring for the defending army.

This is where I see the invasion system as flawed... The outnumbered army has two safe options get farmed at the fort. Or sit in their castle. There is also the third option to let the enemy army put your gate indanger and try to farm them... But that's not a wise or safe option.

Just my thoughts.

[Klutu]

Originally Posted by king_domini

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nah i was just picking at ya

i agree invasion mechanics really screw over the underpopulated realms..

Really all we can do is fight or sit in our castle..

imo when Syrtis reaches a zerg which they outnumber us 4 to 1.. i don't see why they cannot split and fight against the other realm aswell

I also personally dislike the fact that if Ignis gets a 30+ zerg at night why they normally decide to farm Alsius instead of Syrtis.. id want revenge on Syrtis if i could farm someone :P

[SlackerLinux2]

that is "IF" syrtis bothers to take a fort

on my timezone atleast the only forts that really get taken is ones that i have spent hours to try to get enough to show up to samal to go take.

sadly if we go take herb itll be clear for 5mins then suddenly 30-50 will show up we would have 5 people max in the fort. if we try for alsius they will try for 5mins then sit at their save they often have next to equal numbers at the start but as fight progressed ignis gets more players while alsius gets none(prob cause they all banned for being bad) just turns into a massive farm session

well fort wars are not everything you could go hunt but unless if you got a hunter or crazy enough to show up at syrtis central save(i often choose this option after walking around for a few hours finding noone) itll be very slim pickings.

the game needs more "ACTIVE" players players that will take forts and maybe adjust their numbers so each sides even making the game fun and not just a farming session. i know i have left aggers fights after turning up noticing 10 ignis and 5 alsius it cant be fun for alsius.

one day ignis will get their numbers back seriously we are soo underpopulated we need to get nearly EVERYONE online to come to be able to do anything even then its normally not enough.

[Arafails]

Originally Posted by Klutu

I also personally dislike the fact that if Ignis gets a 30+ zerg at night why they normally decide to farm Alsius instead of Syrtis.. id want revenge on Syrtis if i could farm someone :P

Of course the problem with taking revenge on Syrtis is that one of the following situations occurs:

(a) There's actually enough Syrtians on to outnumber us 4 to 1 anyway,
(b) There's so few Syrtians on that no-one will come to defend or recapture fort, instead concentrating their efforts on killing our grinders while we're sitting in their forts playing DDR.

[Klutu]

Originally Posted by Arafails

Of course the problem with taking revenge on Syrtis is that one of the following situations occurs:

(a) There's actually enough Syrtians on to outnumber us 4 to 1 anyway,
(b) There's so few Syrtians on that no-one will come to defend or recapture fort, instead concentrating their efforts on killing our grinders while we're sitting in their forts playing DDR.

trust me speaking from experience Syrtis could take there fort back at night if they actually tried.. ive logged in on my old barb once or twice to check out syrtis noobzone and such.. and took part in the war out of bordom..

i stood with the group of Syrtis and all i heard from them is "ignis is zerging us again" when Syrtis actually could of taken back there fort.. they had 4 at pb 3 in Alsius oc 2 in rae reseting (lvl 50's) about 8 at there save and 5 waiting in front of Herb not mentioning anyone else grinding at Syrtis Hot Spots..

i remember i asked if we wanted to rush and i got a response.. that Ignis marksman would tear them all apart.. (it was Latem & a mid lvl marks)

now.. while i agree that a lvl 4 herb or aggers & samal is difficult to take or take back..

Syrtis's night players don't even try they just do there own thing and asume Ignis is just "Zerging"

in which case id suggest a nice trip to efe ^^

i really do hope NGD looks in Population & Class Balance after there finished with there models.

[Hamster_of_sorrow]

psh. ignis with zerg? not very common. most ignis i have ever seen on at one area was 42. that was during a planned invasion. yes, that is a zerg. no denying that.

but lets compare. most syrtis i have ever seen on in one area. 79. that was during a random invasion (they were on gate defence). ignis tried it once and failed. so ignis AND alsius worked together and STILL couldnt do it.

i am sick of listening (or reading) gelfs whine about how ignis has tons on during their off time (its actually about even). it seems like we might have more, but that is because they are so used to zerging that when the fight is fair, we wipe the fort with them.