Confuse: keep or remove? - Page 16

Gytha_Ogg · 10-01-2010, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by MalaTempora

DAMN SO TRUE TSUKU... finally they were FIXED not nerfed

Like when they fixed my dog Scruffy?

NotScias · 10-01-2010, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Grayknight

I voted remove, as it is now it just leaves a conjurer useless. they should make it so mind blank has some chance of stoping it.

+1, barbs moaned a bit and got a new UM able to resist Cannot Attack, while Conjurers are crying for years about it and got nada...
But I still think the best solution would be to make confuse 15-20s max duration, like most of other non damaging CCs.
Now since hunters "fix" it's getting worse, since most of the hunters are now tempted to skill full tricks, to get Ambush [5] and Confuse [5].

Kianoni · 10-01-2010, 05:04 PM

Confuse is not as crippling as dizzy spells - what makes confuse so annoying is the extremely long duration of the spell. So I vote for keep - but:
It should have a shorter duration (maybe 15-20 seconds on level 5) - it should still be a bit longer than dizzies as it still allows for casting some spells.
Other good option to make it more balanced in RvR would be to make the animation 200%-300% bigger so it could be spotted by conjurers or maybe it should be allowed to self dispell under confuse?

.. just some random thoughts ..

rogueish · 10-01-2010, 06:18 PM

What I find funny about all this is before last years update and nerf very few hunters would even use confuse as those who did were looked down on by most other hunters. After that update everyone was cheering how hunters were nerfed and now couldnt kill them anymore. So by necessity all hunters started to use confuse to be able to keep hunting.
Now even with an insane reduction of all a hunters abilities people are still wanting the only spell that gives hunters a chance removed.
To me a perfect solution would be, and I know it will never happen, is. Keep most all the new changes to hunters to keep the forum lobbyists happy. And remove confuse but give back some of the old battle dynamics from before the last nerf. For instance allow hunters to attack while moving again so strafe can come back into the game ( removing strafing ability just months after introducing it never made much sense to me ) and give hunters slightly better damage.
Then nerf or remove confuse all together. Allowing hunters to move while attacking will make the hunter fun to play in a battle again. While with the speed reduction the removal of confuse no one could really look at it as being over powered.

blood-raven · 10-01-2010, 06:22 PM

well i skilled it today on 1 tough, i was so sick and tierd to get confuse spammed that i putted it in myself also, conj are annoying, firing at someone, bang heal, 20 arrows waisted.

imo it should stay the way it is but lowered in duration a 20 sec on 5 is more then enough.

Zordak · 10-01-2010, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Kianoni

Confuse is not as crippling as dizzy spells - what makes confuse so annoying is the extremely long duration of the spell. So I vote for keep - but:

There is exactly 8 spells left possible to cast when confused. All of them are in shared trees. And i already counted splinter wall even though im not sure it counts as damaging.
Considering a support conjurer this is a dizzy spell, this is why we are whining for 3 years now.

Z.

ps: just listing the spells you can still cast when confused as a conjurer: Arcane Missile, Blaze, Beetle Swarm, Prickling Ivy, Splinter Wall, Sultars Devouring Mass, Mana Burn, Energy Borrow

VandaMan · 10-01-2010, 07:10 PM

The problem with making confuse 15 or 20 second duration at 5 is that it would become completely useless at lower levels. While the duration is annoying, I think the knight's ability to dispel it is a step in the right direction, and it just needs to be made more usable.

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Originally Posted by Zordak

ps: just listing the spells you can still cast when confused as a conjurer: Arcane Missile, Blaze, Beetle Swarm, Prickling Ivy, Splinter Wall, Sultars Devouring Mass, Mana Burn, Energy Borrow

Evendim's fury too

Zordak · 10-01-2010, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by VandaMan

Evendim's fury too

Right, thanks. Worst part is that i remember actually counting it >.<
Ill send you the usual douch as reward.

Z.

Kaixo · 10-02-2010, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by VandaMan

The problem with making confuse 15 or 20 second duration at 5 is that it would become completely useless at lower levels. While the duration is annoying, I think the knight's ability to dispel it is a step in the right direction, and it just needs to be made more usable.

That problem is present with a lot of skills, try to use dispel 1, Unstoppable madness 1, time master 1, typhoon 1...

Mikan · 10-03-2010, 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaixo

That problem is present with a lot of skills, try to use dispel 1, Unstoppable madness 1, time master 1, typhoon 1...

All of those spells that you listed have a pretty fair chance on level 1 and are far from useless. People just like to complain.

View Poll Results: Should the current Confuse spell be removed?
Yes, remove it	87	50.00%
No, keep it.	87	50.00%
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10-01-2010, 05:04 PM	#153
Kianoni Initiate Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Land of snow and frozen beards Posts: 183	Confuse is not as crippling as dizzy spells - what makes confuse so annoying is the extremely long duration of the spell. So I vote for keep - but: It should have a shorter duration (maybe 15-20 seconds on level 5) - it should still be a bit longer than dizzies as it still allows for casting some spells. Other good option to make it more balanced in RvR would be to make the animation 200%-300% bigger so it could be spotted by conjurers or maybe it should be allowed to self dispell under confuse? .. just some random thoughts .. __________________ drunken old dwarf

10-01-2010, 06:22 PM	#155
blood-raven Master Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Belgium Posts: 561	well i skilled it today on 1 tough, i was so sick and tierd to get confuse spammed that i putted it in myself also, conj are annoying, firing at someone, bang heal, 20 arrows waisted. imo it should stay the way it is but lowered in duration a 20 sec on 5 is more then enough. __________________ SHAKE IT LIKE A POLAR BEAR NINJA

10-01-2010, 06:18 PM	#154
rogueish Apprentice Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 74	What I find funny about all this is before last years update and nerf very few hunters would even use confuse as those who did were looked down on by most other hunters. After that update everyone was cheering how hunters were nerfed and now couldnt kill them anymore. So by necessity all hunters started to use confuse to be able to keep hunting. Now even with an insane reduction of all a hunters abilities people are still wanting the only spell that gives hunters a chance removed. To me a perfect solution would be, and I know it will never happen, is. Keep most all the new changes to hunters to keep the forum lobbyists happy. And remove confuse but give back some of the old battle dynamics from before the last nerf. For instance allow hunters to attack while moving again so strafe can come back into the game ( removing strafing ability just months after introducing it never made much sense to me ) and give hunters slightly better damage. Then nerf or remove confuse all together. Allowing hunters to move while attacking will make the hunter fun to play in a battle again. While with the speed reduction the removal of confuse no one could really look at it as being over powered.