1.0.8 Update (Longbow vs Shortbow)

[DemonMonger]

Originally Posted by Sicker

let me begin by saying shield piercing SUCKS anyway...dual short is more reliable. maybe it should just be switched dual shot can be .5 and shield pierce 1.0 just to piss everyone off that uses long bow with their hunter. (what marksman uses it anyway?)

Now that we had a damage nerf.... Shield peircing is the better skill..
For it to be effective you need to first lower the defences of the enemy...
I hit 458 sheild peirce on a knight. And successful I have killed hunters with it while straffing kitting them/preventing them from attacking.

The basic bow attacks are far more limited that the skill attacks (angle wise)
you need to be within a 70 degree cone arc to hit a person with a bow.
you can be almost 120 degree cone arc and hit someone with a skill.
Thus you can dance around mages/archers kitting/gliding them until they die.

Now that dual shot is 1 second and ensnare .5 I had a knight hide behind a tree to regain his life 100% while calling backup near pb. No matter what I did to get to him he avoided me 100% This could not happen when dual shot was instant. (Interesting)

So I used the same technique on a marksman that wanted to kill me.... I let him waste all his mana... Then I hid behind a tree running in circles to prevent attacks and killed him. In the past the marksman would have won due to all the instant cast's they had vs a hunter. (Interesting)

Warriors.... once a warrior is on you there is no way to get him off you. They can run and attack, seems like they can run and cast attack skills.
If you try to turn and fire the delay prevents your normal attack from ever hitting the target. The only thing you can do is back into a wall and cast skills. If there is no wall you will have a nice and honorable death by flogging.

Repetition shot cast time of 3 seconds is way too long since the attack is close range cone area. If the enemy is not afk then they will easily side step you or cast another spell to cancel your casting beetle/silence/dizzy/fist/ambush/kick/jawbreaker/etc... The animation lets them know you are about to do something major.

The long bow area skill is fine with a long casting time because its at range and you are far from harms way... Sure the long bow area is weak, but it's more reliable than the shortbow area now.

[GIO879]

All the marksman are borned dead now, any chance to escape...
Just find a new game who doesn't stole you

[_Enio_]

Originally Posted by GIO879

All the marksman are borned dead now, any chance to escape...
Just find a new game who doesn't stole you

Only thing that really annoys me is that our effective range with a med bow has been cut by approx 6m vs a fleeing, with a slow its ~9m.

1on1 vs barb is still a win with proper config, vs knight its harder due to blocks and less damage through armor, still its a fair fight and if you play on safety you can always get away.

Another annoyance is missing precast, spells(esp buffs) should be logged while gcd is running and be cast right after.

[gluffs]

Well i dont understand why they changed it to 1s anyway. I dont even use Dual
shot anymore on my hunter. When i have the energy im gonna reset my skills
and replace the points i have in Dual shot in to passive dex instead.

To make the dual shot usefull again, it should be 0.5s or instant. Only dmg
skill i use atm is ensnare, deacent dmg and makes it easier for me to stay out
off the warriors reach

[UmarilsStillHere]

Originally Posted by GIO879

All the marksman are borned dead now, any chance to escape...
Just find a new game who doesn't stole you

Marks are still the 2nd fastest class...

[Comp]

I skilled long bow and now I'm using:

ensnare + normal + shield pierce + normal + break apart

I can do this faster than similar attacks with dual shot. Now that damage is nerf'd shield pierce (give it is a constant damage) usually produces similar damage as a lvl 4 ensnare does. Problem is...once a person is buff'd shield pierce usefulness kinda goes away. However, it will still produce the same damage as your normal would - thus its like being able to fire two quick normals then fire off another spell again.

[-Edge-]

I saw a marksman the other day who was hitting in 3 hits before I hit in 1. (I have +31% attack speed w. med axe O_o)

I'm guessing he was using a fast SB, combined with Hawks Gaze and some other attack speed bonuses. The point is anyway, it was deadlier then any long or short bow I'd ever seen in my life. I wish I'd taken a picture of the log, was pretty amazing.

[_dracus_]

Originally Posted by Sicker

let me begin by saying shield piercing SUCKS anyway...dual short is more reliable. maybe it should just be switched dual shot can be .5 and shield pierce 1.0 just to piss everyone off that uses long bow with their hunter. (what marksman uses it anyway?)

I can give you a list of marksman of your realm that uses it

[UmarilsStillHere]

Originally Posted by -Edge-

I saw a marksman the other day who was hitting in 3 hits before I hit in 1. (I have +31% attack speed w. med axe O_o)

I'm guessing he was using a fast SB, combined with Hawks Gaze and some other attack speed bonuses. The point is anyway, it was deadlier then any long or short bow I'd ever seen in my life. I wish I'd taken a picture of the log, was pretty amazing.

Miraculix and Anpu made a 'chainsaw' build back on RA once, with fast sb's, dirty fighting, hawks, rapid, recarge, etc... the pair of them could tear through a mage in about 3 seconds, and since then we have got atk speed items

Originally Posted by Sicker

let me begin by saying shield piercing SUCKS anyway...dual short is more reliable. maybe it should just be switched dual shot can be .5 and shield pierce 1.0 just to piss everyone off that uses long bow with their hunter. (what marksman uses it anyway?)

So it should be done (ignoring all balance tests etc) just to 'piss these people off' maybe LP should be 1sec cast time to 'piss people off' as well?

[Comp]

Earlier I killed two hunters (about lvl 47+ cause they had clops) and when it was over I had more than half my life left. How....simply put - range and pet. By the time they even got close enough one was already dead.

Long bow has it's place now - that's for sure.