Warlocks are too weak

[BlooD]

The problem with the warlocks was their lack of improvement. All classes advanced in their way but warlocks only have two new spells (darkness and magma blast). The problem is the way each class has advanced.

The damage its not our best this days, marksman and barbs do a lot more to one target and in an area, they have the problem of his mana but mana in fort wars is not a problem with conjurers. Even hunters and knigths have powerful area spells like repetition shot or thunder/ligthning blow.

But warlocks have a good combat control, you can freeze someone, get them with ivy or whirlwind, launch swarm to someone, you have an area dizzy around you and you can knock a group from range 30 with a decent damage, you can steal his mana and paralize them, you can even steal their summons.

But the really problem comes when someone does you 1500 of damage from more than range 30 in a shot, marksman have been really improved and the class with lesser defenses was clearly the one who suffers it. They have absolute dominion of the range 30+ but you cant get close to them and get them in your range (25 its the warlock range most of spells have it) and when you finally have them there they sentence you to death and bye warlock.

So warlocks have not been nerfed since area damage reduction (the target gets most of the damage but the ones in the area get around 1/3 of it) but all classes have been improved and we only have to wait for our improvements.

I am going to put some things in warlock development thread with what things are being said in spanish forums, hope you read it :P.

[magnet]

Originally Posted by BlooD

The problem with the warlocks was their lack of improvement. All classes advanced in their way but warlocks only have two new spells (darkness and magma blast). The problem is the way each class has advanced.

The damage its not our best this days, marksman and barbs do a lot more to one target and in an area, they have the problem of his mana but mana in fort wars is not a problem with conjurers. Even hunters and knigths have powerful area spells like repetition shot or thunder/ligthning blow.

But warlocks have a good combat control, you can freeze someone, get them with ivy or whirlwind, launch swarm to someone, you have an area dizzy around you and you can knock a group from range 30 with a decent damage, you can steal his mana and paralize them, you can even steal their summons.

But the really problem comes when someone does you 1500 of damage from more than range 30 in a shot, marksman have been really improved and the class with lesser defenses was clearly the one who suffers it. They have absolute dominion of the range 30+ but you cant get close to them and get them in your range (25 its the warlock range most of spells have it) and when you finally have them there they sentence you to death and bye warlock.

So warlocks have not been nerfed since area damage reduction (the target gets most of the damage but the ones in the area get around 1/3 of it) but all classes have been improved and we only have to wait for our improvements.

I am going to put some things in warlock development thread with what things are being said in spanish forums, hope you read it :P.

Yeah I've been reading the "Barbarians with range" thread (normal hits around 700hps, critical around 900hps with +40% arrows, without death sentence) and Kazaki's thread too; it seems the spanish crowd is always a step before the english community. I've been thinking that for some time too, thanks for translating and helping the debate. It should be worth to note that the whole debate was started by Nazgul who is among the most famous marksmen and he finds their hits overpowered/the warlock underpowered (he has both a lv 50 marks & warlock), the arguments are that Marks deal more damage, better areas, better range, better casting time, mana is never a problem with conjus (esp in War) and they have awesome resists + two safe spells (Son of the Wind and Low profile), which marks CAN have even if all of them don't; the opponents say Warlocks can use "combat control" spells like freeze, ivy, etc (most of them soon to be nullified by the new Unstoppable Madness). Some say that Marks shouldn't get access to the Evasion spells because they're an offensive class, if they should keep their offensive power they shouldn't have Evasion.

However even if spells have mostly not changed for warlocks (magma blast is awesome but takes a helluva mana), it's wrong to say they weren't affected, since the last patch on concentration/intelligence influence to resist affects them directly (it affects all classes but few warlocks deal damage using staves).

[makarios68]

Originally Posted by Katiechan

You're unhelpful, so why don't you stop posting instead? This is my thread afterall, not yours

I'll post where i like, thank you.

And i am merely disagreeing with you.

If you interpret this as being unhelpful, that is your bad.

[chuckclose1]

you are 100% right in the fact that warlocks have been weakened by the new resist system

however u are 100% wrong if u feel warlocks are weak now

i am a warlock my only char. and i was mad as hell after the update that implemented the resists system, but i could either stop playing and cry about it until they changed it( which will never happen ) , or i can make ajustments to my build to counter balance the problem

thats just what i did the biggest change i made was gave up a power that was not using as much and put 5 points on metabolic controll gives + 30 cons , that there made one hell of a diff. i also putt more points in dragons blood which gives + 15 int at lvl 5, which makes the spells that get through do more damage

and well... i will not give away my intire build here butt i think iff you try atleast theese two changes u will see a big difference

u can reset your powers as much as u want

change them - test them - find what works

butt please dont call warlocks weak

[misaccc]

LOL a funny headline

[NightTwix]

Originally Posted by magnet

Yeah I've been reading the "Barbarians with range" thread (normal hits around 700hps, critical around 900hps with +40% arrows, without death sentence) and Kazaki's thread too; it seems the spanish crowd is always a step before the english community. I've been thinking that for some time too, thanks for translating and helping the debate. It should be worth to note that the whole debate was started by Nazgul who is among the most famous marksmen and he finds their hits overpowered/the warlock underpowered (he has both a lv 50 marks & warlock), the arguments are that Marks deal more damage, better areas, better range, better casting time, mana is never a problem with conjus (esp in War) and they have awesome resists + two safe spells (Son of the Wind and Low profile), which marks CAN have even if all of them don't; the opponents say Warlocks can use "combat control" spells like freeze, ivy, etc (most of them soon to be nullified by the new Unstoppable Madness). Some say that Marks shouldn't get access to the Evasion spells because they're an offensive class, if they should keep their offensive power they shouldn't have Evasion.

However even if spells have mostly not changed for warlocks (magma blast is awesome but takes a helluva mana), it's wrong to say they weren't affected, since the last patch on concentration/intelligence influence to resist affects them directly (it affects all classes but few warlocks deal damage using staves).

im not sure what the marksmen have to do with the topic but they are surely not overpowered.
They are powerful, yes. Just like warlocks are.
I think the problem is that warlocks are spoilt, cause they were overpowered for so long time and now they back in balance.

I dont notice that warlock miss more spells on me than before.
but i know first hand that you get awful lot evades when you pick the wrong race and dont max out concentration

anyway...

Originally Posted by Katiechan

I'd rather play a Knight than a Warlock in wars these days and that's saying alot. Not to mention levelling them without quests has become next to impossible

THIS is a fucking joke. This sentence invalides the whole thread.
Leveling a warlock is a joke, its more like xp harvesting than leveling and comparing it to a knight is a slap in the face for every warrior.

Go back wherever you came from and stop whining and trolling

[BlooD]

Originally Posted by NightTwix

im not sure what the marksmen have to do with the topic but they are surely not overpowered.
They are powerful, yes. Just like warlocks are.
I think the problem is that warlocks are spoilt, cause they were overpowered for so long time and now they back in balance.

I dont notice that warlock miss more spells on me than before.
but i know first hand that you get awful lot evades when you pick the wrong race and dont max out concentration

anyway...

So you say having 400 as normal damage with range 30+ with skills who can do more than 1k damage at that range, and when you get close to them they have at least 25% damage reduction and 25% chances of resisting you skills is not overpowered. I am not saying we didnt were overpowered but marksmans are not balanced in my trollish point of view....

[klixon]

Speaking as a lvl 34 warlock, i have not encountered very many problems levelling on yellow or blue mobs yet. I am still able to go non-stop for a long time.

pvp is not my area of expertise yet... i have only been levelling him so far, so i can't realy tell you how i fare at that.

pve: i do not just rely on 3 major high level dmg spells, i have a wider spectrum of slightly lower level spell, so if one gets resisted, i always have at least one spell that is not on cooldown. It takes maybe slightly longer to get the mob down, but he will go down.

[CumeriTarenes]

Stop complaining about your class! The last person who recognises the weakness/power of it's class is oneself.

You will recon the real power of a warlock best when you try to fight against one, same as with every class.

And for leveling: I doubt that warlocks are the hardest to lvl up...

[Comp]

If your having issues contact DaggerSpell on the forums. He's a warlock and part of my clan. He can level non-stop.