Conjurers going on strike - Page 2

Leadoffhitter · 11-29-2007, 06:24 PM

From my experience...

No carach is known by the old realm mates until he's been 50 for weeks, even months.
I know lvl don't make the player, but you need to talk to the right people to learn lots of little things from the game, and the best people to talk to is people that have been around for a long time. Also experience is not the same when someone has 10 lvls less. That's true too.
You don't have those things? Sorry, you have a lack of experience. Strike is called by one of the oldest conjurers that actually plays in game. He gives a lot of useful info about the origin and development of the game, giving plenty of details about the skills. And YES is winning by now to follow the strike (people who are not conjis don't count to vote). You should ask yourself WHY they arrive to that point, instead to give an opinion that lacks experience and reasons.

When people talk about conjurers, most of them make dirty politics...
Just to get other people to do what they want they make the more simple description full of demagogy. RO is full of healing conjurers, but it's easier to blame the subclass because they want more people to heal them when they advance too much towards the ennemy save/rows. Maybe a reason to go on strike?

That's one interesting post in terms of information (conjurers giving reasons why or why not) and very descriptive of lack of respect when it's another subclass that posts (no reasons, just: "it's going to be the same; they don't heal anyway", like it happens in here. Ok, some ppl tells something interesting, but a minority)

If someone is really interested to LEARN and UNDERSTAND what's going on, I'll be glad to translate the most important comments.

I didn't make my mind yet about this issue.

"If you're going to speak, just try your words will be better than silence"

Znurre · 11-29-2007, 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlooD

This simply says it all, He was even more Warjurer than me, and trust me i sometimes was too warjurer even for a warjurer.

I liked you as conjurer

Will you ever recreate Bloodipiech ? (spelling?)

Inkster · 11-29-2007, 06:30 PM

hmm going on strike, well i guess my conjor will be a scab then, no way in hell would i let people in my realm die if i can help it

on a side note, does this mean that val runaway will be absent as there will be no army of conjors around

misaccc · 11-29-2007, 08:05 PM

Lol good point ink

but from my exp half of ignis conjus dont do their work well.and i dont complain that they dont heal me all the time cuz they shouldnt but when im alone fighting 3 enemies with half hp and a conju is buffing the nearby archer...whats the point?

bigjim · 11-29-2007, 09:19 PM

A strike please, and although Enatim is a great guy he never heals or revives. He has been that way from beta. So, him proposing the strike really doesn't make sense if you ask me. Also, since Syrtis has so many Conjurers with whom many do not visit the forums I highly doubt this plan of action will have much success. While all of this bickering is going I will be having fun in real life, or leveling my barb.

magnet · 11-29-2007, 09:47 PM

I have read the spanish thread and it's ridiculous. First it has nothing to do with other players, it's a strike against the recent changes to conjurers NDG made:

- Buffs in Enchantments were stronger but with a 180s cooldown, Enatim wants them back to the way it was (and most agree way better now)
- He wants to use the Summon while in Sanctuary (seems overpowered to me, 30s of invisibility*1.15 with Insightful plus Zarkit?). Here we forget all the speech about support conjurers that went on in the english thread.
- He wants to use areas in Sanctuary again (Mana comm, Greater Healing, etc). A lot of conjurers and players agree that this change gave more strategy to fights, and made people think twice about casting Sanct. Let's not forget the change came at the same time that Conjurers stopped wasting Heals and Sanctuary while Frozen...! So IMHO once again an advantage/better now.
- Vital Surrender sucking; well I agree on that one this spell needs some work, but how striking will help (come on "strike" against NDG, this sound so ridiculous, or is it a demonstration they're planning?).
- There were threads asking the decrease of Zarkit damage, I don't think it will happen, I'm OK with Zarkit damage even if it's true they hit hard, they will go through balancing like every other damage dealing (and I think they will get reduced damage and powers insteads, when pet powers are implemented, and it will be very nice).

He doesn't even complain for the RPs adjustment support conjurers got since last patch (not surprising since he's not a support conj at all).

All in all this sounds very childish to me and people do what they want, if they stop playing this week-end, and if we lack Conjurers, it's bad for the realm mates, I'm not sure NDG should care.. especially when there's no real reason.

It must be tiring and hard to play a Conjurer, no doubt here; if the strike was indeed against players complaining maybe, maybe it would have a meaning. As it is, it doesn't.

bigjim · 11-29-2007, 09:52 PM

Yea if you ask me it is absolutely and utterly ridiculous. I mean I remember when you could cast regenerate spells, and greater healing, mana communion, and all of that stuff with sanctuary. Hell, if anyone wants to you can see my pvp with STN on the last day of beta you can probably find it in the video section somewhere. Keep in mind this was with no Zarkit, no Arcane Devotion. The only thing I had was Mental on 19, and I still beat him. It was very close, but I still one out. Not trying to brag, I am just saying the way the conjurer is is close to perfect. They are not overpowered but they are not underpowered. After all, they still have Steel skin which really only threatens when a warlock is attacking. I think people need to grow up or shutup. It is one thing complaining or talking about balance issues, but when it grows into people planning an in game strike that is when it gets hilarious to me. I see some good material for the comic.

GIGO305 · 11-29-2007, 09:54 PM

we dnt hav 2 heal we heal wen we feal like it we r nt slaves being heald is a privilege that all u should pay us 4 bt we do it 4 free. if it wasnt 4 conjus its would we harder 4 u guys 2 train and war. we revive who we want if u want 2 be a good B%$#*! go ahead and heal ppl like 1 we fight 2.

WE AINT GONNA TAKE IT ANYMORE . CONJUS FIGHT BACK!!

bigjim · 11-29-2007, 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GIGO305

we dnt hav 2 heal we heal wen we feal like it we r nt slaves being heald is a privilege that all u should pay us 4 bt we do it 4 free. if it wasnt 4 conjus its would we harder 4 u guys 2 train and war. we revive who we want if u want 2 be a good B%$#*! go ahead and heal ppl like 1 we fight 2.

WE AINT GONNA TAKE IT ANYMORE . CONJUS FIGHT BACK!!

Lets grow up now, this is embarrassing. For starters you can't talk to me because I have a conjurer and probably have been playing the game much longer. Lets just calm down, take a deep breath, turn into warjurer's and make Syrtis look like the mature selfs we are.

magnet · 11-29-2007, 10:07 PM

In the last page of the thread, people are saying they're on strike for different and sometimes more legitimate reasons. However if everyone is on strike for his own reasons/because his class sucks, then what meaning does the strike have?

My first wish with NDG is that they try to keep the game from breaking too much while they make it better. No more destructive update please... Rushing improvements will not help. Right now all the skills and balance are done by Megrim, he's on the Warriors right now and balancing damage (beware, Marksmen next!), then there is hunters and powers for creatures and pets, a true pet control interface, and the talk about Warlocks that's going on in the spanish sections (Imho they are fine if damage are balanced, the teleport spell we've been promised a long time ago would be nice too...) and Dispel Magic fixes and Conjurers gameplay fixes...? That's a lot for one guy and all this complaining only puts more stress. Well I'm sure warriors would agree that he changes his agenda

.

Conjurers may dislike when we criticize them, but striking against Megrim this way is just the same

. Megrim is everyone's conjurer, and I heard someone that you should never piss a conjurer off

PS: wow Gigo I won't feel bad again for killing you even if you're such an easy kill. Consider it a gesture towards all Syrtis players

11-29-2007, 09:19 PM	#15
bigjim Baron Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: United States Posts: 947	A strike please, and although Enatim is a great guy he never heals or revives. He has been that way from beta. So, him proposing the strike really doesn't make sense if you ask me. Also, since Syrtis has so many Conjurers with whom many do not visit the forums I highly doubt this plan of action will have much success. While all of this bickering is going I will be having fun in real life, or leveling my barb. __________________ Refetan 60 barb, Schlong 59 lock - Haven Syrtis

11-29-2007, 09:47 PM	#16
magnet Count Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: France Posts: 1,416	I have read the spanish thread and it's ridiculous. First it has nothing to do with other players, it's a strike against the recent changes to conjurers NDG made: - Buffs in Enchantments were stronger but with a 180s cooldown, Enatim wants them back to the way it was (and most agree way better now) - He wants to use the Summon while in Sanctuary (seems overpowered to me, 30s of invisibility*1.15 with Insightful plus Zarkit?). Here we forget all the speech about support conjurers that went on in the english thread. - He wants to use areas in Sanctuary again (Mana comm, Greater Healing, etc). A lot of conjurers and players agree that this change gave more strategy to fights, and made people think twice about casting Sanct. Let's not forget the change came at the same time that Conjurers stopped wasting Heals and Sanctuary while Frozen...! So IMHO once again an advantage/better now. - Vital Surrender sucking; well I agree on that one this spell needs some work, but how striking will help (come on "strike" against NDG, this sound so ridiculous, or is it a demonstration they're planning?). - There were threads asking the decrease of Zarkit damage, I don't think it will happen, I'm OK with Zarkit damage even if it's true they hit hard, they will go through balancing like every other damage dealing (and I think they will get reduced damage and powers insteads, when pet powers are implemented, and it will be very nice). He doesn't even complain for the RPs adjustment support conjurers got since last patch (not surprising since he's not a support conj at all). All in all this sounds very childish to me and people do what they want, if they stop playing this week-end, and if we lack Conjurers, it's bad for the realm mates, I'm not sure NDG should care.. especially when there's no real reason. It must be tiring and hard to play a Conjurer, no doubt here; if the strike was indeed against players complaining maybe, maybe it would have a meaning. As it is, it doesn't. __________________

11-29-2007, 09:52 PM	#17
bigjim Baron Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: United States Posts: 947	Yea if you ask me it is absolutely and utterly ridiculous. I mean I remember when you could cast regenerate spells, and greater healing, mana communion, and all of that stuff with sanctuary. Hell, if anyone wants to you can see my pvp with STN on the last day of beta you can probably find it in the video section somewhere. Keep in mind this was with no Zarkit, no Arcane Devotion. The only thing I had was Mental on 19, and I still beat him. It was very close, but I still one out. Not trying to brag, I am just saying the way the conjurer is is close to perfect. They are not overpowered but they are not underpowered. After all, they still have Steel skin which really only threatens when a warlock is attacking. I think people need to grow up or shutup. It is one thing complaining or talking about balance issues, but when it grows into people planning an in game strike that is when it gets hilarious to me. I see some good material for the comic. __________________ Refetan 60 barb, Schlong 59 lock - Haven Syrtis

11-29-2007, 09:54 PM	#18
GIGO305 Banned Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: with ur mom Posts: 939	Danm Right We R Striking we dnt hav 2 heal we heal wen we feal like it we r nt slaves being heald is a privilege that all u should pay us 4 bt we do it 4 free. if it wasnt 4 conjus its would we harder 4 u guys 2 train and war. we revive who we want if u want 2 be a good B%$#*! go ahead and heal ppl like 1 we fight 2. WE AINT GONNA TAKE IT ANYMORE . CONJUS FIGHT BACK!!

11-29-2007, 10:07 PM	#20
magnet Count Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: France Posts: 1,416	In the last page of the thread, people are saying they're on strike for different and sometimes more legitimate reasons. However if everyone is on strike for his own reasons/because his class sucks, then what meaning does the strike have? My first wish with NDG is that they try to keep the game from breaking too much while they make it better. No more destructive update please... Rushing improvements will not help. Right now all the skills and balance are done by Megrim, he's on the Warriors right now and balancing damage (beware, Marksmen next!), then there is hunters and powers for creatures and pets, a true pet control interface, and the talk about Warlocks that's going on in the spanish sections (Imho they are fine if damage are balanced, the teleport spell we've been promised a long time ago would be nice too...) and Dispel Magic fixes and Conjurers gameplay fixes...? That's a lot for one guy and all this complaining only puts more stress. Well I'm sure warriors would agree that he changes his agenda . Conjurers may dislike when we criticize them, but striking against Megrim this way is just the same . Megrim is everyone's conjurer, and I heard someone that you should never piss a conjurer off PS: wow Gigo I won't feel bad again for killing you even if you're such an easy kill. Consider it a gesture towards all Syrtis players __________________

11-29-2007, 06:24 PM	#11
Leadoffhitter Initiate Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 208	From my experience... No carach is known by the old realm mates until he's been 50 for weeks, even months. I know lvl don't make the player, but you need to talk to the right people to learn lots of little things from the game, and the best people to talk to is people that have been around for a long time. Also experience is not the same when someone has 10 lvls less. That's true too. You don't have those things? Sorry, you have a lack of experience. Strike is called by one of the oldest conjurers that actually plays in game. He gives a lot of useful info about the origin and development of the game, giving plenty of details about the skills. And YES is winning by now to follow the strike (people who are not conjis don't count to vote). You should ask yourself WHY they arrive to that point, instead to give an opinion that lacks experience and reasons. When people talk about conjurers, most of them make dirty politics... Just to get other people to do what they want they make the more simple description full of demagogy. RO is full of healing conjurers, but it's easier to blame the subclass because they want more people to heal them when they advance too much towards the ennemy save/rows. Maybe a reason to go on strike? That's one interesting post in terms of information (conjurers giving reasons why or why not) and very descriptive of lack of respect when it's another subclass that posts (no reasons, just: "it's going to be the same; they don't heal anyway", like it happens in here. Ok, some ppl tells something interesting, but a minority) If someone is really interested to LEARN and UNDERSTAND what's going on, I'll be glad to translate the most important comments. I didn't make my mind yet about this issue. "If you're going to speak, just try your words will be better than silence"

11-29-2007, 06:30 PM	#13
Inkster Count Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Arse firmly glued to Ra Posts: 1,042	hmm going on strike, well i guess my conjor will be a scab then, no way in hell would i let people in my realm die if i can help it on a side note, does this mean that val runaway will be absent as there will be no army of conjors around

11-29-2007, 08:05 PM	#14
misaccc Banned Join Date: May 2007 Location: Belgrade!!! Posts: 1,807	Lol good point ink but from my exp half of ignis conjus dont do their work well.and i dont complain that they dont heal me all the time cuz they shouldnt but when im alone fighting 3 enemies with half hp and a conju is buffing the nearby archer...whats the point?