Ode to NGD, Argentina...

[ArcticWolf]

Originally Posted by Dividido

Our problem is that we have the theory, but we fail in the practice. For more information about some of our thoughts, you can search some info about Peron's third position theory.

Also, the problem is that the theory we have was developed and tested for countries in a different economical position than us. The Keynesian theories used to work pretty well in the USA, but here it was a disaster (though it could have been a good idea with some little modifications).

[-Edge-]

I don't know what to say about the USA anymore. Really living there I feel everything is better for me, and it is. Everything looks nice too, but theres a nasty side to it. Under the blindfold America can kick you in the nuts and just tell you who cares.

Theres soooo many problems economically. Tons of people lose jobs everyday. America handles thier economic policy very well, but they do not do thier best imo.

Some of you probably already know about what happened to me last Fall. My parents lived in the States for 20 damn years, had 5 kids (makes us Americans) and a great house (still left unsold to this day >.>) Anywho, long story short, Immigration came one day, took my father away to jail, he sat there for 3 months waiting. Then they sent us away in Mid-October with just what we could carry. I wrote 2 letters to President Bush. But got a reply only from 1, which was actually just from the Justice Department.

And so, I left behind 15 years of my memories, friends, a great education. And now we live in Poland, parents still don't got a job, we live with our family. Its slowly working out.

But that left a mark on me, whenever I talk to Aries about what happened to my family, he just says it makes him sick to be an American. Theres so much shit going on with the Immigration system, Asians, Arabs, Mexicans getting deported. A Veteran that fought in Vietnam for 3 years came to us too, and he told us its just bullshit. He says he fought for his country, but not to see people getting stripped from it.

Ahh now ive got a good image of America, they left me here, in a country I know little about, language that I have big trouble speaking (thank you Piz ) What the hell am I suppossed to do now? My education is in a crisis, my future is in a crisis Im looking for a sign for why I came here, but I think I might start seeing it, that sign is the American Recession coming back.

[Angelwinged_Devil]

Originally Posted by Hell_bound

Yes, Hell_bound has his weakness too you know...

everyone has at least one XD no one knows mine (and I'm glad of it)
in the end boobies got hell_bound

but it's a very interesting talk about argentina, I am a bit political interested , and I'm sorry you had a shitty move edgey, but things always works out for good people

[-Edge-]

Originally Posted by Angelwinged_Devil

but it's a very interesting talk about argentina, I am a bit political interested , and I'm sorry you had a shitty move edgey, but things always works out for good people

Meh, I just look at it as a good story to tell ^^

[ArcticWolf]

Originally Posted by Rated_R_Edge

Meh, I just look at it as a good story to tell ^^

No, it isn't. It's a sad story, so it's bad.

Sure there's no way to go back to the States? You were born there, that makes you American! This is nonsense

[Hell_bound]

I always get these funny feelings about things and write them down...

And this thread was a product of such a feeling, but shared here...

Strange thing is Argentina made the world news on Friday, the 23rd, and I didn't know about it:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7416679.stm

Till now...

[Dividido]

Originally Posted by Hell_bound

I always get these funny feelings about things and write them down...

And this thread was a product of such a feeling, but shared here...

Strange thing is Argentina made the world news on Friday, the 23rd, and I didn't know about it:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7416679.stm

Till now...

Update: tomorrow the producers will block grain exportats and next week they're going to do the same with meat. The protest has become into a power struggle, making the rest of the population spectators of the show, with no voice or vote.

The Government is trying to discourage the production of soybeans, but, instead of giving benefits to other activities, they decided to raise the taxes to the soybean production, the quickest but most polemical way I think.

[ArcticWolf]

The government is aiming to the grain exportations since it's the main income of the country. A tax that of 50% to the soybeans (or any other kind of grain product) is a really profitable maneuver to the government, but destroys Argentina's main industry.

The problem isn't the tax per se, it's the percentage taken by the government. Producers would agree to set a lower tax price, but not to completely take it out. They know taxes come back to the society and are the way a province/ government raises funds, but they also know that THIS government will not invest that money on the very same industry that prevents the country to virtually disappear from the economic world map.

The taxes go to the National Funds, not to the Provincial (regional) ones, and then it's shared almost equally through all the provinces. That means provinces with more income (and hence, more producers) would get less than a province with almost no producers (Buenos Aires vs. Tierra del Fuego).

Oh, and don't forget the monopoly that the Truck Guild has. We used to have the best railroad system in Latin America, but through the years the government cut the funds and now it's completely abandoned. Just a small (a VERY) small percentage remains operative, and it's in horrible conditions. So... The only way to transport goods is through trucks. This guild would control all the food movement on the country with ease. Guess what: the Truck Guild is controlled by the government!

[Dividido]

Originally Posted by Xephandor

The government is aiming to the grain exportations since it's the main income of the country.

This makes no sense. Why a government attacks a productive industry (and the one who represents us in the rest of the world)? The only "sense" reason is becouse they need money. But that's not the case, the income is very good and mainly becouse this activity in particular.

So what's the point of all of this? I have to recognise that the Government is planning in a mid-term, becouse the soybean activity destroy the land, or becouse if this goes on we might have a single-crop production in the future, or becouse we sell all the soybean production to the international market, so more production means more money for a few hands and less food for us (becouse they replace soybean in fields where they produced other crop before).

What I really disagree is how they're tryng to change this situation. Instead of penalize soybean I'd choose to give benefits to the specific crop I think it's best for the country.


I agree the rest of the post xeph (why are we talking of Argentina in english? .. ).

[ArcticWolf]

My English is a little bit rusty this days (I should have practiced more during the summer), so I think I'm not making myself clear. I'll translate some of the posts I wrote earlier in the Spanish forum, but for the time being you can read this:

http://regnumonlinegame.com/forum/sh...3&postcount=30
http://regnumonlinegame.com/forum/sh...0&postcount=57
http://regnumonlinegame.com/forum/sh...2&postcount=59
http://regnumonlinegame.com/forum/sh...2&postcount=65
http://regnumonlinegame.com/forum/sh...3&postcount=83
http://regnumonlinegame.com/forum/sh...1&postcount=85


I know I'm "center-winged" with a little tendency to "the right", but please, take your time to read my opinions