SoTW vs Mindsquash = Epic fail

[Valorius]

Originally Posted by makarios68

Sometimes you get an incident of epic fail, it happens.

Tho i know how annoying it is when you have put so many points into evasion yet you seem to evade v little.

On the whole tho, the evasion spells work well (for me at least.)

Tho i must say, i keep thinking about dropping spell elude, coz it's a big drain on mana and it seems to do its job badly with some frequency...

I seriously question if spell elude even works at all anymore.

Originally Posted by Vroek

I just love to see that! Too bad it dosent happen often enough to discourage excessive sotw usage.

Which would just encourage excessive mindsquasher usage.

Mindsquasher= Confuse BEFORE THE FACT.

Imagine if an archer could cast confuse on you- THROUGH DI- AFTER you'd already cast all your buffs. THAT is what mindsquasher is!!! At least confuse runs out in 40 secs max. If i get mindsquashed i cannot rebuff for 2 full minutes!!! And again, it works through DI...

This one spell wiped out 900 mana worth of buffs on me. Buffs with a 2 minute cooldown that i cannot recast right away. The spell in effect, is an immediate death sentence. About the only way it could be worse is if it aslo knocked you over....it already attacks through DI!(it's that last bit that makes it overpowered IMO. Before i didn't make much fuss because few people used it, but now it's becoming trendy to use, and it is becoming a serious scourge- to ALL classes. This is another spell that's not bad when used by knights, but again, in the hands of barbs, it's just tooooooooooo much. Of course i said that months ago- in very plain english).

One spell should NOT be able to cancel out soooo many spells with one swing of the hammer. No way, no how. Certainly not when in the very next swing the opponent can pull out an axe and nail you for over 2000dmg like a barb can.

[Comp]

I'm trying without spell elude - I'll let you know if I see any big difference....I highly doubt I will...

[Valorius]

Thanks Comp. It USED to be blatantly obvious, the difference that it made. Nowadays, i'm really not very sure.

Another one that doesn't seem to do a damn thing for me is dodge. I have so many screen shots of me casting that then getting hit 10 straight times it's ridiculous. (Look at the screen shot above, cause i cast dodge in that one too.)

[_dracus_]

Originally Posted by Valorius

Thanks Comp. It USED to be blatantly obvious, the difference that it made. Nowadays, i'm really not very sure.

Another one that doesn't seem to do a damn thing for me is dodge. I have so many screen shots of me casting that then getting hit 10 straight times it's ridiculous. (Look at the screen shot above, cause i cast dodge in that one too.)

I droped it. For me it makes no differences.

[El_Naso]

Well I dropped spell elude for dodge and I´m pretty happy with it.

Spell elude does make a difference though, I won a lot of pvps aganist marksmen but that skill makes it twice as hard, I even got evaded every single spell once.

But I´d rather have the mana to make some more damage

Originally Posted by Valorius

I seriously question if spell elude even works at all anymore.


Which would just encourage excessive mindsquasher usage.

Mindsquasher= Confuse BEFORE THE FACT.

Imagine if an archer could cast confuse on you- THROUGH DI- AFTER you'd already cast all your buffs. THAT is what mindsquasher is!!! At least confuse runs out in 40 secs max. If i get mindsquashed i cannot rebuff for 2 full minutes!!! And again, it works through DI...

This one spell wiped out 900 mana worth of buffs on me. Buffs with a 2 minute cooldown that i cannot recast right away. The spell in effect, is an immediate death sentence. About the only way it could be worse is if it aslo knocked you over....it already attacks through DI!(it's that last bit that makes it overpowered IMO. Before i didn't make much fuss because few people used it, but now it's becoming trendy to use, and it is becoming a serious scourge- to ALL classes. This is another spell that's not bad when used by knights, but again, in the hands of barbs, it's just tooooooooooo much. Of course i said that months ago- in very plain english).

One spell should NOT be able to cancel out soooo many spells with one swing of the hammer. No way, no how. Certainly not when in the very next swing the opponent can pull out an axe and nail you for over 2000dmg like a barb can.

Valorious... you meet 100 pt/day who don't use blunt and you kill them all. You met one good old schooler who knows the score and you complain ??? Blunt is from far the best PvP tree for warriors (we don't talk about damage here), looks like you learn it painfully.

You got your dear SotW dispelled ? Warriors kill daily people under SotW... even mages. SOTW != SANCTUARY, Valorious, if you can't accept it, just cast low profile...

All the experienced warriors will say it to you that's very rare, you're focusing on 1 case, it represents how much % of your daily kills/attempts ??? Does it already happened to you ? Do you think that 900 mana is much... on RvR, a knight can easily have 1500 mana buffs on him, worst, if he has deflecting barrier on and got MSed, it's all his crew who pays the price. Same for conjurers.

You, you have just to think at you, so be happy

[Valorius]

Nah, it's not that Mindsquash can attack through SoTW.

It's that it can dispel all kinds of buffs you already cast, making them unavailable for the entire remaining duration had they not been cancelled...AFTER you already spent the mana on them.

People call confuse overpowered because it prevents you from buffing in the first place. It lasts 40 secs, DI stops it. Confuse costs you no mana when it's cast on you.

Well, Mindsquash RUINS your buffs, which is far worse, because all your mana is now wasted. Cast Mindsquash vs a hunter with lvl 5 acrobat/spell elude, and your mindsquash has an effective TWO MINUTE DURATION.

And oh, yeah...it works through DI to boot.

Mindsquash is far superior to confuse, which lots of people have claimed is overpowered. IMO confuse isn't(though i feel it should be a lvl 17 spell), but Mindsquasher is so much more powerful, that it is.

And it's not just a few players using mindsquash anymore. They are starting to show up all over.

Mindsquash (550+ dmg) + SC(up to 5000dmg) can = instant death for almost any lvl 50 player.

The very day i first heard about mindsquash, months ago, i posted on these forums that it was overpowered, and i certainly have not changed my mind at all about it. At first i didn't say anything because, as you said, only a few old veterans used it. But that's no longer the case. It's becoming quite common now.

[Vroek]

Originally Posted by Valorius

People call confuse overpowered because it prevents you from buffing in the first place. It lasts 40 secs, DI stops it. Confuse costs you no mana when it's cast on you.

No people call confuse overpowered because it prevents you from buffing, use a load off non-damage attacks and completely remove any chance to escape all in one single attack.

When you get hit by mind squasher, you can fight back unrestricted, run away or freely cast any defensive buff you have saved for such an event.
Not to mention the low success rate of mindsquasher, usaly it just a mana dump!

[fluffy_muffin]

Originally Posted by Vroek

When you get hit by mind squasher, you can fight back unrestricted, run away or freely cast any defensive buff you have saved for such an event.

When my conj was mindsquashed last time then i had little tie to cast sanctuary. Next time i didn't make it cause there was also lock near with mod. No mind blank, no steel skinn canceled area spells etc. Maybe cause i am hunter i have more good habits in reducing confuse pain but that was't nice when Dky charged on me and other conjus always with mindsquasher. It ended at pinos gate with next mindsquasher mod and 2 sc. Mindsquasher is good spell and don't try pretend that is is not good Confuse don't allow me to use my spells but usually i have them casted anyway, mindsquasher cancell them. But it is ok cause it is 0 range spell.

[mrclean]

It's not epic failure of Son of the Wind, Is EPIC EFFECTIVENESS OF MIND SQUASHER!!!!

AWESOME!