"Foul play"

[ncvr]

I don't think you get the point. Knights are the slowest class to grind while marksmen are one of the fastest (just behind warlocks and conjus). Also, in Syrtis the starting lvls are much easier, while lvl 20 - 30 is really fast in Alsius if you know where all the quests are.

[Angel_de_Combate]

Originally Posted by Necrovarus

I don't think you get the point. Knights are the slowest class to grind while marksmen are one of the fastest (just behind warlocks and conjus). Also, in Syrtis the starting lvls are much easier, while lvl 20 - 30 is really fast in Alsius if you know where all the quests are.

Arent we sliding off topic here ? I really hope that the multi accounts wont become a real issue, if you cant afford the xim to buy the extra chars on your acc, making extra accounts get used for clan banks and can be also be used by other clan members (who share the pass of course).

Originally Posted by Froste

if the character remains static forever more after hitting level 10,

Arent most spy chars only lvl 1 or so ?

Originally Posted by Froste

There are certainly ways to combat spies. I think those who do make spy accounts are pretty sad individuals. It ruins the game for many when some assholes commit such acts.

I totally agree, time could be spent actually lvling the chars they made to spy in the first place.

[SmUrV]

Banning Multiple accounts would remove more than half of the user base from regnum. Everyone one has multiple accounts and for many different reasons... You aren't suppose to have all 6 classes in one accounts (unless you pay ngd for it) so people make a second to have 3 more chars. There is NO banking system to store items so you're forced to carry them on your char or sell them until able to trade or give them away. (many players and clans have accounts set aside just for that)


So really its NGD's fault in a sense. They put a rule into place and gave us every reason to break it. I say let them make it bannable and then lets watch their game die...


However, in the sense of spying. It's just lame... You take the game that seriously that you have to see what the enemy is doing? Just play the game...

[e30G]

Froste gave a good partial solution to the spy problem. In addition to that, you shouldn't be able to run multiple instances of the game at the same time.

Sydonay_Rex, your 2nd point wouldn't apply to spying since this is technically against the rules (created by NGD) of the game. However, simply banning multiple accounts isn't practical. I for example have 3 accounts. One I use in the forum and for Ra, another for Horus (had to make a new account because when horus opened I couldn't get in using my main account for some reason) and 1 when I tried playing in Ignis (Ra).

IP bans won't work yes, but applying Froste's example of monitoring quick account switches between realms (provided running multiple instances of Regnum is prevented) would work if only those accounts are banned.

[Syd_Vicious]

Originally Posted by e30ernest

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Sydonay_Rex, your 2nd point wouldn't apply to spying since this is technically against the rules (created by NGD) of the game.

Rules are enforced, guidelines aren't, so it must be a guideline - unless NGD decides to enforce it. Having a user conversation about user caused problems and the ethical provisioning of whether it is right or wrong is just a cluster f@ck. Register it as a complaint or submit an email abuse ticket if you can handle the burden of proof.

Also a spy can just make new accounts over and over and over again so even if NGD chose to monitor the accounts it would be pointless and time not well spent. Plus even if an IP ban was in place any ppl with spy accounts can just /release /renew their ip address to pull a new address once their DHCP lease is up and back on with another account.

Seriously it is a sad state for ppl to make spy accounts, but this is something at the dev level (if they even can) and until they do something this is much ado about nothing.

[e30G]

Originally Posted by Sydonay_Rex

Rules are enforced, guidelines aren't, so it must be a guideline - unless NGD decides to enforce it. Having a user conversation about user caused problems and the ethical provisioning of whether it is right or wrong is just a cluster f@ck. Register it as a complaint or submit an email abuse ticket if you can handle the burden of proof.

If I could gather evidence I would not hesitate to make a report, however, only NGD can truly prove or disprove a person is spying.

Originally Posted by Sydonay_Rex

Also a spy can just make new accounts over and over and over again so even if NGD chose to monitor the accounts it would be pointless and time not well spent. Plus even if an IP ban was in place any ppl with spy accounts can just /release /renew their ip address to pull a new address once their DHCP lease is up and back on with another account.

To what loss? losing their main account?

Originally Posted by Sydonay_Rex

Seriously it is a sad state for ppl to make spy accounts, but this is something at the dev level (if they even can) and until they do something this is much ado about nothing.

They can. I work for another game company and based on what I see here, it is possible to catch multi-account spies. There are ways around it but it should lessen spying a lot.

[Syd_Vicious]

"Also a spy can just make new accounts over and over and over again so even if NGD chose to monitor the accounts it would be pointless and time not well spent. Plus even if an IP ban was in place any ppl with spy accounts can just /release /renew their ip address to pull a new address once their DHCP lease is up and back on with another account."

Originally Posted by e30ernest

To what loss? losing their main account?

What this is referencing is that unless NGD has a marker system for the clients that it would be pretty wasteful spent time trying to develop an anti spy system. If they only go solely based on IP and someone has a Dynamic ever changing everyday IP it would be pretty hard for them to ban someone suspected of spying. If they solely went off the account, then that person who had their spy account banned could just create another one under a different name under a different email address. Plus with their low numbered development team I doubt they would work towards something like this.

Originally Posted by e30ernest

If I could gather evidence I would not hesitate to make a report, however, only NGD can truly prove or disprove a person is spying.

And this is my point exactly with this being solely in NGD's hands, us talking about ban-able offenses when it is out of our hands. Thats where:

"Register it as a complaint or submit an email abuse ticket if you can handle the burden of proof."

Comes into mind. Burden of proof could be anything from an IRC screen shot to an in game screen shot. Let NGD look into it themselves without us trying to specify parameters on what they should be looking at and who they should ban.

[Froste]

Refreshing doesn't guarrantee a whole new ip address because they usually attach to the previously used one.

But either way, it doesn't matter how many times they refresh their ip address, they're still going to use the new address to log on to their main account eventually. I'm not suggesting a fool-proof plan that will catch every eventuality, but it would definitely be an improvement.

[Syd_Vicious]

Yeah, but then you also run into other problems like how I talked about families and dormitories and such.

For them it would be mass punishment for one jackass and that isn't right.

[e30G]

Look into patterns:

User logs into the ISP and gets an IP.
User logs into Regnum (IP logged)
User logs out and logs in to another account on another realm (IP logged)
User logs out and returns to original account (IP logged)
User refreshes ISP IP

Repeat the above. A pattern will appear because the user will need to log out before entering another account.