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Old 01-27-2009, 03:33 PM   #11
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Its too early to make assumtions at this point. Obama just seems to be winning the majority over right now, and trying to fit all americans into his view. He's fresh and nothing more, as quickly as he is gaining support, thats how quickly it can fall, its very shakey.

He won the pro-natalists when he pushed through abortions in his 1st week as president.

I personally think next he will win over minorities with a massive change in the immigration system, which has been desperatly needed in the US. Asians, arabs, and other groups have been treated racially for awhile.

As much as I hate Bush however and feel he should be arrested for bringing the US into an open war on account of his famous "weapons of mass destruction" I still feel pity for him only because he is a puppet, and he's just a person that takes the blame.

During the Obama campaign, I noticed in most pictures he always had this light on his face, to me it was like a ray of hope in a way. I am only angered because he has turned the White house into some kind of black party house. I hope his wife dosen't have too much control over him, the kids have too much media attention aswell. But thats just my view because I lived in a Ghetto filled with niggas for 15 years... where if you just looked at someone you were shot.
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Old 01-27-2009, 03:36 PM   #12
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Like i said in my previous post..i have no interest in politics....<yawns> way too boring..i prefer to work out my own lifes' politics..thanks.
Focusing on that tiny of a sphere of influence, focusing on your own life and your own actions, comes with a price for you allow those in power to dictate what you can and cannot do.

But I fear that all Western nations shall end up as Britain; for example, cameras everywhere watching every move the citizen makes.

Kinda like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUxk5IyGgjQ

However, such is the price people pay for not valuing their freedoms.
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Old 01-27-2009, 10:25 PM   #13
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Thus, even though Miraculix's post was in jest he was able to expose the reality and truth of American politics, and in a much simpler and funny way then I ever could.
Though we're talking about American politics, I am sure this can be applied to almost every country on Earth. Moreover, to any group of humans. The head of the state is not the visible representation of a man, but a small group formed by some big influential corporations, old politicians and modern day caudillos.
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Old 01-28-2009, 02:40 AM   #14
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Though we're talking about American politics, I am sure this can be applied to almost every country on Earth. Moreover, to any group of humans. The head of the state is not the visible representation of a man, but a small group formed by some big influential corporations, old politicians and modern day caudillos.
The is true, so very, very true...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caudillos
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Old 01-28-2009, 10:28 AM   #15
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Focusing on that tiny of a sphere of influence, focusing on your own life and your own actions, comes with a price for you allow those in power to dictate what you can and cannot do.

But I fear that all Western nations shall end up as Britain; for example, cameras everywhere watching every move the citizen makes.

Kinda like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUxk5IyGgjQ

However, such is the price people pay for not valuing their freedoms.
Who said i didnt value my freedom, because i do...i value the fact i have the right to vote (remember the suffragettes ?, one name comes to mind Emily Wilding Davison..)..for equal opportunities, but even in the day and age of equal rights..this job im applying for..well lets just say im the only woman there..im most probably going to be seen as an "novelty". How many men have felt like this ?..i know that if i get said job..ive got to hoist the barriers up..because men look for weaknesses in woman..when they take on a job that they can do just aswell thankyou very much..

When something my government does inflicts on my life personally, then id have a opinion...Obama doesnt rule my country..Gordon Brown does..ooh however actually i do disagree that the government are permanently phasing out benefits for single parents..forcing them to get a job whether they want to or not(this doesnt bother me..i want a job), ive enjoyed watching my children grow up, as far as im concerned..i was a full time mum..it was and still is a full time job. I dont think the government understand this..i couldnt bare to leave my children with a child minder...all day..missing out on all the things they were accomplishing without me there to see it all...no way..i tried to be a working mum for 3 months..i hated it. The only happy medium that happened was when i got interested in gardening..jared was in full time school by then and bethany was able to go to the nursery on the college site...she was just a 5 min walk away from me. Yes i know that there are some parents(if you can call them that), have baby ..after baby..just to stay on benefits so they dont need to get a job..and this is mainly the reason why this phasing out has been introduced. However in light of the british ecconomy..surely..making people get jobs..which arent even there...damn this will just make things worse in my opinion. The only ones suffering in all this..are the children..true..that money makes the world go round..but all children need are the love and guidance of their parents, not the parents hardly even being there..and when they are..there tired and too stressed about money and work to even take the time to just be with them..Whether we like it or not..most families arent two parents..one goes to work..one stays at home with the children..most are single parents like me..who find most days a struggle, its bloody hard work ! I have to be a mother and a dad..and its exhausting..especially now there getting older..my son worries about his SATS(exams for entry into high school), my daughter worries sooo much about fitting in with her other class mates..no matter how much i tell her that you dont have to try to be anything your not...Im not saying all this for sympathy..far from it..its just something i feel strongely about.
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Old 01-29-2009, 03:22 AM   #16
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... I dont think the government understand this...i couldnt bare to leave my children with a child minder...all day..missing out on all the things they were accomplishing without me there to see it all...

However in light of the british ecconomy..surely..making people get jobs..which arent even there...damn this will just make things worse in my opinion.

The only ones suffering in all this..are the children..true..that money makes the world go round..but all children need are the love and guidance of their parents, not the parents hardly even being there..and when they are..there tired and too stressed about money and work to even take the time to just be with them...

No truer words could be spoken as these...

/Hell_bound now ponders what was said and looks at the bigger picture, humanity, the world...

It's funny isn't that humans chase after objects that are not compatible with the flesh and emotions that make humans human...

Gold, oil, money (paper), or anything else...

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Originally Posted by Jane's Addiction: Three days ~

True hunting is over.
No herds to follow.
Without game, men prey on each other.
The family weakens by the bites we swallow...

True leaders gone,
Of land and people.
We choose no kin but adopted strangers.
The family weakens by the length we travel...

All of us with wings...
All of us with wings...
All of us with wings!
Why can we not accept who we are, what we are - each other reflected in the mirror of ourselves as we stare into the eyes of another, especially those we hate?

Seek your fortune now, for tomorrow will be to late; and yet you will find it was all for not and this you can bet on...

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Originally Posted by Bush: Chemicals Between Us *

I want you to remember
A love so full it could send us all ways
I want you to surrender
All my feelings rose today
And I want you to remain
The power of children can amaze
Ill try not to complain
I know thats a pisser baby

The chemicals between us
The walls that lie between us
Lying in this bed
The chemicals displaced
There is no lonlier state
Than lying in this bed

I want you to remember
Everything you said
Every driven word
Like a hammer, hell, to my head

The chemicals between us
The walls that lie between us
There is no lonlier place
Then lying in this bed
The chemicals displaced
There is no lonlier place
Than lying in this bed

The chemicals between us
The chemicals between us
Lying in this bed

Were of the hollow men
We are the naked ones
We never meant you harm
Never meant you wrong
Id like to thank
All of my lovers, lovers, lovers

The chemicals between us
The army of achievers
Lying in this bed
The chemicals displaced
There is no lonlier face
Than lying in this bed

The chemicals between us
The chemicals between us
The chemicals

The chemicals between us

~http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSaIGUxb0yQ
*http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9T55V-FY6A


And so the ritual begins...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qXEyPLi1uU

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Can you hear it now?
Hear it coming now?
Can you hear it now?
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Old 01-29-2009, 10:59 AM   #17
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It's funny isn't that humans chase after objects that are not compatible with the flesh and emotions that make humans human...
Havent humans always chased after materials things...to have things of their own.. ?? Its so funny right now..id settle for serious answers to questions about life than a shit load of gold, oil or bloody paper.

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Seek your fortune now, for tomorrow will be to late; and yet you will find it was all for not and this you can bet on...
Dont go all damn cryptic on me ! What fortune do you mean..monetary ? Why will tomorrow be too late ?? December 21st 2012...this date ring any bells.. ?Scared the shit out of my son when he saw all them damn clips about it on youtube..(cue me trying to explain why i dont think the world wont end and failing miserably)
Well if the world is really going to end sometime soon..bring it on !
So many thoughts running through my head..so many ideas...sometimes i wish my brain would shush for 5 mins..seriously.H_B you provoke tooooo many thoughts..

Okay..<deep breath> things are just about to get really hectic for me..in my life, i have so many things to take care of, loose ends to tie up Dont miss me too much, which im sure you really wont lol. Over and out amigos !

shite..missed this lol

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Eye

I lie, I wait
I stop, I hesitate
I am, I breathe
I meant, I think of me

Is it any wonder I can't sleep?
All I have is all you gave to me
Is it any wonder I found peace through you?
Turn to the gates of heaven, to myself be damned
Turn away from light
It's not enough, just a touch
It's not enough

I taste, I love
I come, I bleed enough
I hate, I'm not
I was, I want too much

Is it any wonder I can't sleep?
All I have is all you gave to me
Is it any wonder I found peace through you?
Turn to the gates of heaven, to myself be damned
Turn away from light
It's not enough, just a touch
It's not enough, just a touch
It's not enough, just a touch
It's not enough, just a touch
It's not enough, just a touch
It's not enough, just a touch
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Old 01-29-2009, 01:18 PM   #18
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i never mix politics with web forums
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Old 01-29-2009, 04:23 PM   #19
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Politics + Web forums =

Gasoline + Flamethrowers =
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Old 01-29-2009, 07:48 PM   #20
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Dont go all damn cryptic on me ! What fortune do you mean..monetary ? Why will tomorrow be too late ??
This was not a statement directed towards you, but the world in general which you are a part of...

If you look at my other posts you will see what I refer to here; and yes it has to do with paper, but more specific an individual currency and those that depend on it...


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... So many thoughts running through my head..so many ideas...sometimes i wish my brain would shush for 5 mins..seriously.H_B you provoke tooooo many thoughts..
I have been told this a few times before... some enjoy such conversations and others it confuses or threatens them...


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Politics + Web forums =

Gasoline + Flamethrowers =
As you can see by how this discussion went, it really was less about politics...

However, I would like to make my final word on the man that people call Obama...

My Ode to Obama as seen through lyrics:

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You, came at last, and your timing was impeccable your role had not been cast
And you, fit the mold, you were perfect in most every way a subject to behold
Now the news had broken through, and all of those stories grew
We wondered if you're capable of all they say you do...
You...
You...

Early photos by assortment, all of this made you important
We were given something new
Fantasies were bound by wire, fiction told by your desires
Story holes we fell into, but it's too late
Cause we're obsessed with you...

You, came at last, you gave a face to all the media that left us quite aghast
And you, filled a void, and your musings filled the broadcast air for all to be enjoyed
Soon we all were moving on
One last look and you were gone
Your future may hold many things, but all of us we're through, with you

You, came at last, and before you had a chance to speak your time already passed...

Bottom line appease the sponsors take a hold and sell the monster
Innocence we hardly knew
Stories to add fuel to fires, in the end they'll call you liar
But the truth is we're all glad for you
The great trepidation is about to come at last...
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