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02-27-2010, 12:32 PM | #12 |
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Every single revolution which is 'for the people' we see again and again that there are a few leading figures who want the power or attention and despite the good intentions of the uprising in most cases it ends in a dictatorship. Examples are the English civil war, the Russian revolution, the revolution at Cuba and so on.
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02-27-2010, 02:19 PM | #13 |
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Hmmm, not every single revolution, take a look at the Carnation Revolution:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnation_Revolution
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Let me tell a story. As a calf, a young bull is restrained by a very thin rope. It tries to break free but fails. But when it grows up it has the power to uproot the pole to which it is tied. But it doesn't try and thats how man domesticated the powerful bull. He fed it from his hands, it lost the confidence it could get food for itself. People are just domesticated now. Americans have grown mellow, insecure, hand-fed domesticated animals of the corporations. Thats why you dont see an american revolution nor will you in some time to come. As long as the corporations can maintain their charade, this will continue. But when external debt gets out of control and inflation shoots sky high and the people are out on the streets hungry the revolution will begin. Blood will be shed. Remember french revolution? Hunger is what drives revolutions. Man, alas, is just an animal. Unless his wherewithals dry up and he is pushed to the corner he wont rise up. But that time will definitely come for America. So comrades out there, just hold on till then. We shall prevail ! |
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+1 Vy for starting it (for what its worth I lean pretty far to the left also) I dont think of it as a political thread even, its a concern for his fellow beings; no matter their political affiliation. addendum: Quote:
thats when revolution happens.
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+1 G. The terms 'communists' 'comrades' have been politicized. The issue in itself is a human rights problem. So you just search and replace the term 'communism' with 'human right activism' and 'comrades' with 'fellow human beings' the same people who vehemently oppose this thread would stand in queue to sign up... It just saddens me to see people who doesn't want to think and would just lap up all that's fed to them by the powers that be. :/ But as I said, hunger will overrule all that and make em see through all the bullshit
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People will by standard only do what's best for them or their loved ones. If that includes stealing from other people or denying other people access to certain resources they will handle that way. The idea of everybody being equal is a nice one, but because of the way people think, it will never work.
There's no good or bad in the world, only we and they.
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right now in the United States. Whats even sadder is; it doesn't have to be that way. If the corporate entities that drive the "I got mine, F$%^ YOU" attitude had the roles reversed with perhaps an urban youth or blue collar worker they'd change their tune so fast we'd see if Hawking was correct about lightspeed.
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------------------------------------------------- Edit: The aim of the French Revolution was to get rid of the single monarchy, who controlled everything. Nowadays, corporations actively *compete* for our attention. Making corporations and governments responsible for their dodgy activities is the key, in these modern times. ------------------------------------------------- Quoting Registeted Democrat Prokofy Neva again: Quote:
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That's not what the Revolution will be about. The Revolution will be about each worker emancipating himself and by doing so he will emancipate his brothers and sisters. Human being's self interest can be used to the benefit for all. Quote:
You're absolutely right, but the French, and American revolutions were Bourgeoisie revolutions. The were started by the Bourgeoisie against the Monarch. These are the revolutions where the Capitalists emancipate themselves and the road to Communism starts. Without the Bourgeoisie revolutions, no Proletariat will be formed and without that class identity he will never realize his plight, and never be emancipated. Lucky for us that the path to Communism is an inevitable one. And the Capitalists have helped us by throwing the yoke of the monarch and they've setup the means of production, just waiting to be confiscated by the state. To sum it up. Don't compare the French Revolution's barbarism and exploitation to a Proletarian Revolution. And, while there will be bloodshed, we are not the bourgeoisie.
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