Conjurer after 1.6.3

[Healerous]

Originally Posted by ieti

Conjurer gameplay changed alot and in some way for me it became boring and slow. So at my point i start with spells as i see them....
Maybe i'm wrong with many things. Giving more feedback to NGD as we see conjurers now will be better.

heya,
yeah jeti i totally understand what u mean. as a support-conju u really have to be flexible. id like to see support spells like heal,buffs should be almost instant too. dont know about mana costs, didnt check amun that often. imo, support conjus shouldnt need to cast arcane devotion at all - 4-5 points for it to be effectiv?(on amun). no thx

talking about the ms' monkeys
like i said i didnt test amun, just saw steelskin got nerfed(again,pfff) but its hard enough on horus as well. u need alot of spells like km, mb, to be "really" dynamic. alot of points, which a "support" conju needs to spend(sacrifice).
dont get me wrong, i dont wanna have some 'godmode' or something, just some small steps back to the roots

Originally Posted by ieti

... Make support conju be dependent from cooldown times, not by cast times. It will increase fun factor alot.

nothing to add more , nicely said Jeti

Originally Posted by Ulti19

... Also, some said that they use skills they never used before and it isn't the same old spam gh and pylon over and over. So I got mixed responses to conju.

i really like to see warriors gets buffed(finally), but leaving the conju bored/pissed isnt too "elegant" for me - conjus have to be flexible and should not be busy in running backwards trying to save urself!

gl & hf

[Myxir]

Please don't hijack this thread with knight stuff. Confuse is not the matter in this topic.

My first impressions from the conjurer:
The new added spells are pretty cool and I can integrate them into a fairly balanced defense/support setup. Though 5-7 more points for powers would be cool (I think that for all classes I play)
Now you are not the hospital anymore. With the new aura system people finally recognize that there is a Conjurer who activley heals them. Not just an anonymous thing that moves in the crowd spamming his greater healing, regeneration and mana communion.
Great step!

I dislike the % based heals too. On Amun I thought I could arrange with that but this is not the case. I can't arrange with them healing and being healed.
My Hunter gets healed for something like 360HP with an Heal Ally 5. It's a joke. Even if you consider that The cooldown is lowered. I don't consider the lowered cooldown as an option to heal one target but rather to distribute heals better.
On Knights the % heal may sound awesome but in my oppinion this is pointless and ruins fun for the other classes. It's depressing to see a heal of 380 in the log. It's just nothing.

Life Saviour cannot compensate this as well. Cast time is too long (as for most of conju spells :/), cooldown with 60 seconds... well. No life saver.
I'd prefer having the old heal ally back, maybe with 1000 at level 5. That would be a better solution than the % based thing.
I don't see the point why it got changed and regenerate ally not.

My impressions so far.
Too long cast times, quite stupid heal ally. Appart from that: Very good.

[ieti]

Yes main problem is the slugginess and slow casts.

Heal Ally will be better at 15 - 20% or with old 900hp. With this percent stuff only classes who benefit are warriors. Before i got a support from other conjus - now it seems it is not the case. Maybe they think it is no use to heal mages or archers. Actually from max Heal Ally i get around 400hp which do not compensate 1 heavy marks hit. Conjus can not effectively support other classes different from warriors.

Slow casts screw self defense too. Now it is very hard to cast any defensive buff in time. Dispell, Karma mirror, Steel skin, Sanctuary, Static Field are more like spells cast if situation occurs and now if emergency happen most of times you are late. This means death for conjurer.

Going into combat mode still bugs me.

General feeling for me is that conju will be better after time. Still conju needs to be versatile, fast, multitasking. Conjus work depend on fast reactions. We have to feel that we help others. After this update i do not feel i help alot.

[Kaixo]

Originally Posted by Myxir

Please don't hijack this thread with knight stuff. Confuse is not the matter in this topic.

I don't know you but confuse is an important skill vs my gameplay as a support conjurer.

My impressions so far.
Too long cast times, quite stupid heal ally. Appart from that: Very good.

Yes, I think those are the problems. Appart from that it's the same as always, so this update is worse for me.

[Myxir]

Originally Posted by Kaixo

I don't know you but confuse is an important skill vs my gameplay as a support conjurer.

Sure, that's true.
But that was just related to the complaints that knights are disabled too by confuse.
Since nothing changed about confuse it's not worth letting threads starting to be flamewars about confuse again and just concentrate on the new issues the update brought...

[Greyman_tle]

Regarding the conj grind and the summon tree, i must have missed a patch on amun, for i setup golem 3, imp 4, zomb 4 on amun...and a few of the summon buffs, and was well impressed with the fun to be had as a summoner.

Then yesterday set my conj up the same, and as said above...could hardly touch a challenging mob using all 3 summons....was very disapointed, but will try different builds to see what is possible....but i think a whole separate possible playstyle for conj was lost somewhere.

[Signatus]

As an usual conjurers target I have to say I haven't fell any loss of their efficiency in WZ, except when they aren't good or when there's only one for 5 warriors (nothing to do with the update).

I got heals for 600 something, regens and even life saviours at critical times and managed to get high survivability thanks, in part, to them (my favourite was a life saviour during my precise block when surrounded by 3 barbs ), so all in all I'm happy with conjurers, on a knight perspective (not using def stance higher then 1 and only situational).

Thumbs up!

[A_K_M]

I wish I would have had a chance to test it out but my nvlbbmkm driver keeps failing when I see someone attack for some reason, whenever Id get to a fight I would crash and have to restart my computer.

[Amene_Muspell]

Just my view on the current healing-tree (although i didn't play very much yet):

Heal Ally:
The 12%/5s work better than expected, but instant cast, as already mentioned, would be nice.

Life savior:
Being in fight the cooldown doen't feel as long as i worried, the 60s go by faster than expected. But it either needs less cast-time or more range.

New Heal-Aura:
I think it's fine, but with half the duration than before the cooldown should not still be 3 minutes... more like 2 minutes.

The ranged area-heal:
This one really needs more work, 4 seconds cast-time *and* range only 20 *and* radius only 6 makes it a luck-game to hit the area/poeple intended. Your target may as well run out of range during the long cast time, and even if it moves just a few steps in the wrong direction, you might not catch many more allies due to the small radius.
I often used this involuntary as a single target heal ;p


Adressing the general problem that NGD balances spells while having +100% cast speed due to arcane devotion in mind: just remove it.
Cut all cast times to half, remove this spells and be done with it!!

This removes a mandatory "click this button every 60s, don't forget it or be screwed", which is a nuisance anyway.
This also gives 5 more free points, yay.
Instead a passive to reduce cooldowns could be added, something like 4% less CD per lvl?
For conjurers this would fix some issues while not being OP, but i don't know how that would affect warlocks. I won't think about it anymore, NGD won't change this anyway, 'twas just a thought

[Freiherr_Amigo]

hi.

is this right that we cant heal a pet ?

or Bug ?