Is Horus server going to grow like Ra?

[linearguild]

Originally Posted by Klutu

Well Argentina's main language is Spanish so i consider it a Spanish company :P

Yeah and Canadians speak English so let's consider them UK citizens.

[Znurre]

Imo. one problem that Horus suffers from is low population, which in turn makes people ditch it in favor of other servers (or quit totally).
RA didn't have this problem because at the time it had the size of Horus the gameplay was totally different, no invasions etc.

The fact that players played a bigger role to protect forts (no upgrades ftw), that everyone had to grind in parties in WZ because of no lvl 37+ mobs inside the walls, and the current balance, allowed RA to grow. RA literally always grew along with the updates, so to say.
I think the current state of the gameplay is very very customized to fit the large population RA already has, and this really hurts other servers and prevents them from growing.

[KKharzov]

Lets throw out a few points here:

- Horus has actually grown quite a bit in terms of size. The only noticeable differences are that some realms are still not quite balanced in terms of the North American / European ratio. Syrtis probably has the closest connection here. Also, when Horus started there was a larger influx of adults, now some of them have left and there are significantly more teenagers.

- NGD cannot advertise Horus for 2 reasons: The first reason is that they don't have enough money for advertising. While the second and probably larger reason is that the game still is not ready to handle more players. The servers will not be able to support more players.

- I agree wholeheartedly with Znurre. Ra grew because we stayed on Ra while the server itself was unfolding. Horus never unfolded because it was already in the same state as Ra. Also, because we put up with current state of the game, and continued to play in rain or snow, more people joined. If someone logs onto a game and asks "Hey who's there?" and 4 people answer him, well then that isn't going to make him think well of the game. It has to do with a players state of mind and their first impressions. Sadly, even redoing the Initiation Zones hasn't changed the first impression players get.

My additional speculation:
When realm chat was removed it also removed many potential players to the game. Since (most of) the veterans of the game are playing in the warzone, they will never even hear of new players. NGD probably expected clans to steer new players, but in truth clans aren't always going to be there to give a hand, and it gives players a biased view of each clans version of "how things go down". Like it or not, realm chat at least livened up the game for new players, and made them curious about the state of the game. A huge difference between Ra's realm chat and Horus' realm chat is that on Ra's realm chat people are always talking anyway. There are so many players that when a new player logs on he will always find the realm chat active. While on Horus, it's pretty much dead and uninteresting for a new player.

Finally, it's been said a billion times. The game is a RvR game. People join mainly because thats how it's advertised on the official website. In reality, log in, and spend a few months grinding, THEN play RvR. I know some old coots would will be complaining and moaning about how they had to overcome it, so new players should also have to overcome it. That's too bad, thats just NGD's decision. Hopefully someday they will finally wake up and make the leveling curve in this game sensible.

I simple cannot count the number of times I see a potential new player join my clan, and I steer them through the game for a few days. I see them logging in everyday, when I talk to them they really love what they see, it makes me happy to have more people to talk to. Then at one point they say to me "I don't have anymore quests", "What now?". Then I have to tell them that they need to grind, and that is the last time I see most of them. THAT, is heartbreaking to me as a player, because I spend my time and effort (and I continue to do this) to bring more people into the game, but they leave because the road to the awesomeness called realm versus realm is blotted out by a thick fucking cloud of grind filled bullshit.

Sorry for getting emotional, but this is something that I have to see a few times each week, and I'm sure I'm not the only one that can relate to this.

[Inkster]

On topic: I totally agree with you here Znurre, along with your comments, id also add that Ra at that time was the only available server so it did fill somewhat faster.

After the opening of the new servers I think people didn't want to move on the whole, partly as they dindt want to grind all over again.

I know with the transfer option to Horus some people have moved, but on the larger scale, I really think most people who were able to, chose not to

EDIT:

Damnit i chocked on my coffee here lol

Originally Posted by KKharzov

I know some old coots would will be complaining and moaning about how they had to overcome it, so new players should also have to overcome it.

Lol it is very true, but this old coot would like to add the XP curve was different back then and also it was a lot easier to grind (in parties once you hit the wz or you tended to get raped)

[KKharzov]

Originally Posted by Inkster

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Just because the first people to do something had it harder doesn't mean everyone after them should have to do it the same way. That's like saying if someone wanted ride a train they shouldn't be able to use the railway that people before them built. They should make their own railway.

Quit the fanboyism and lets have a serious discussion please?

[Vothdar]

Well, i started playing my first character on Horus this morning (Vothdar the Dwarf) & I'm really enjoying the game so far.

Horus population +1

I've also seen a few low lvl characters around (new players or not, i don't know) & got a group together to adventure - the server IS a little quiet, but i see conversations in chat & people around, so -

It isn't so bad, that i can see

[Raindance]

Originally Posted by Inkster

After the opening of the new servers I think people didn't want to move on the whole, partly as they dindt want to grind all over again.

Grinding all over again really wasn't the problem. It was more of just moving your lazy arse and actually joining in on the pain that many players had to go through but eventually overcame it (fatigue). I know many players that have grinded all over again, because they knew Ra was a lost hope for the English community, so I don't know why people like you stayed on Ra... maybe to become a god amongst puny Horus noobs because you've played for over 6 years and think you know more than Horus players? All the times I've seen some guy brag how he came from Ra and all the players from Horus stood there with their jaws wide open as if they just saw a god.

And I have to agree with KKharzov here, go try Horus without getting bullied out at least.

[Znurre]

Originally Posted by Raindance

Grinding all over again really wasn't the problem. It was more of just moving your lazy arse and actually joining in on the pain that many players had to go through but eventually overcame it (fatigue). I know many players that have grinded all over again, because they knew Ra was a lost hope for the English community, so I don't know why people like you stayed on Ra... maybe to become a god amongst puny Horus noobs because you've played for over 6 years and think you know more than us? Also, you have a great chance with the new character transfers now.

And I have to agree with KKharzov here, go try Horus without getting bullied out.

This however, I can't let slip trough.
First of all, I have one level 50 character, and this is for a good reason: I hate grinding.
I play Regnum only for warring, I never even attend at boss killings because I hate PvE in general.

That, together with the fact that I wanted to keep playing with all the friends I made in the Spanish community of RA was what made me stay on RA initially.
Later on, I've many times considered playing seriously on Horus, not abandoning RA but maybe split my time 50/50.
The thought of a second, smaller server where each player makes a bigger difference in war, no zerg vs zerg fights, etc. was always very appealing.
I thought that Horus could herhaps be what RA once was, but lost.

However, the game changed. That goes for all servers.
Horus will never be like the RA I once enjoyed playing on, actually it's even worse, with many players caring too much about statistics or fame and not actually playing for the sake of having fun.
I've met some really nice Horus players that totally changed my point of view on this subject, but the overall percentage is quite small.

On RA I have people that share my views on how a good fight should be carried out, where the outcome of the fight is not important but rather if the time you spent fighting was worth the time invested or not in terms of having fun.
Don't misunderstand me, Horus is great, it has a really nice community in all realms with people I like hanging out with in IRC and in-game, it has very good and experienced players too.
But Horus will never, for me, be able to compete with RA when it comes to gameplay - no matter the population.
The mentality of the players on the different servers is totally different.

I think more people should start thinking out of the box. For me the language of a server is not what is important but rather if you can have fun there or not.
That is what makes me choose RA, and probably what makes non-french speakers choose Nemon, etc.
Others would prefer Horus anytime, even if it was decided that the main language there would be changed to Swedish and a new English server was opened.
Hopefully people will be able to understand this soon, and respect each others choices when it comes to servers.

And last, FYI, Valhalla is currently ranked number 12 in the RP list on RA.
That's not bad for being an English clan on a Spanish server, don't you think? And this is for a reason: the english community, no matter whether you like it or not, is not dead.

Thank you for understanding.

[ncvr]

Back on topic, I agree with most of your points. Ra has a very strong english community, I see people I've never met before speaking english there every day.

As for me, the main reason I joined Horus was because a younger server with more small fights was more appealing to me. It was definitely very fun when I started out on the server - back then, the RvR was good enough to keep me from grinding until 1.0 hit, when I started enjoying it a bit less.

Horus has definitely got a bigger population than it did at launch though. Perhaps it's the quality of the population (read: everyone wants to grind) that makes it seem like it hasn't really grown.

[bigjim]

Ok here it goes......

I started playing back in September of 2006, and when I first joined the beta there was only a handful of English players....

My friend Slim showed me the game, and I got sucked into it and hard.....

I got to know the Spanish community, and hell I even learned a good deal of Spanish myself; because I had to. So it was a learning experience for me as well. I remember greatly greatly players like Znurre, Inkster, Necro and many others.. I have a great amount of respect for them, and have had great fights with a lot of the vets.

As people have stated the game was so much different when I first started... You had to stick in groups to level or you would get raped hard, you had to communicate because there was no map showing the forts, you had to ask people about quests; because most of the text was in Spanish..

I have gone to Horus twice now along with breaks from the game that I had to take for personal reasons. I tried giving Horus a chance, I tried I really did... I met a lot of great people both from Syrtis and Alsius that I really had a lot of fun with, but the game play is different there....

I don't want to go into too many details, but Horus just doesn't do it for me anymore. I mean the tactics are completely different, the players are completely different, and the quality of war is different as well. Every time I would play Horus I would just miss the old times of RA.. "The good ole' days", the hunts I had, the epic fort wars I had, the leveling in groups near Algaros days that I had.... All is in my memory, and will never be forgotten. The times I had in RA were just too much for me to leave it forever. I love that server and the people that made it. Granted it is different now, but that same core group of players is still playing.. That is what is keeping me around, and that is why I am having so much fun at the moment.

Saying all this to say,
Horus will never be as big as RA, and that is a cold hard fact. It's just so much different going back to RA, and actually having people chat me, wanting to give me items, wanting to lend a helping hand.
People did this in Horus, but the sheer number of nice people in RA is astonishing to me. I love the atmosphere there, and it fits more to my playing style.

As Znurre said, a server is not what the language is in, but the quality and the fun it gives to the player that is playing.

For some that will be the Horus server where that is all they have ever known, to some that will be the statistics and gear, to some it will be the community, to some that will be the war, and the sheer number of people. It all depends what you want out of the game to determine which server is right for you.

In conclusion Uti, if you want wars at all hours of the day, constant action, good Spanish humor, and a shit ton of gear play RA

If you want a near all English player base, smaller group fighting, different war dynamics, more fame and recognition stay in Horus.

Neither is bad, but it is up to the player to decide what is right for him...

As for me, I am staying in RA.. I have returned to my home, and it just feels right. Granted I am playing in the gay elf realm, but it's mostly all I ever knew in the past.

I look forward to seeing some old faces in war again..

P.S. - Sorry for the long post, but it just brought back so many memories..

the memories live on.

Peace out,
Refe