China wants to build a city in the USA (thanks USA for all your debt) SAY NO!!!

[-Logan-]

Originally Posted by VandaMan

Yes, they do. Most of these places are not like what you see on the news in the middle east, and they are welcomed by the other country. A military base isn't necessarily there for a hostile reason. Often times they're leftovers from past conflicts, and were there to help the country they're in. Removing them would save the U.S. some money from our bloated defense budget, but we keep them there in the interest of diplomacy because their host nations don't want them removed, due to the economic boost it gives to the local area.

Exactly.

Like Poland, which for years has been asking the USA to come over. Recently they finally agreed on moving F-16 rotations here, amid mother Russia's warning.

The US wasn't the one that wanted that, by all means they tried to stall that for as long as possible.

[andres81]

The chinese are doing the same in Spain, they are going to build a chinese town in some village near Madrid

This is supposed to be (apart of interests in Spain) their headquarter for latin america as there are many spanish companies with contacts there that are in problems and the chinese take the whole company or their workers over. That is also the reason why everybody is happy with this solution; the spanish government is not able to provide employment but the chinese do it

[Topogigio_BR]

Originally Posted by VandaMan

Yes, they do. Most of these places are not like what you see on the news in the middle east, and they are welcomed by the other country. A military base isn't necessarily there for a hostile reason. Often times they're leftovers from past conflicts, and were there to help the country they're in. Removing them would save the U.S. some money from our bloated defense budget, but we keep them there in the interest of diplomacy because their host nations don't want them removed, due to the economic boost it gives to the local area.

And how many of these countries are really democratic? I mean how many are not submited to an authority government that in any case the military presence of US army maintain this so called "peace", Afghanistan was helped by USA to "free from communism", look at the and of story, USA just moved army there when oil investments were in risk, about not much different in Iraq.

USA still today holds parts of another countries like PANAMA.
The great difference is that USA is no longer in position to hold China imperialism. Have no doubt if China cant bring that to USA they will bring to another country like in the Mexican border or the Canadian Border.

[Leadoffhitter]

"China wants to build a city in the USA (thanks USA for all your debt) SAY NO!!!"




Can I ask for an exercise, please? Not trying to hurt anybody, don't feel ofended, please.

Let's switch the word "China" in this sentence for "USA", and the word "USA" for the name of any other country with U.S. military bases on their soil.





I think maybe it is easier to understand the "others" that way.


Please, think that in this case some U.S. government representative had must to ask China to bring those bases on U.S. soil, just like it was commented in previous posts about U.S. ARMY bases coming to other country soil because someone over there asked for it... China is trying to use the same trojan horse U.S. has been using for decades, maybe?



Info related that can enlighten a bit:


Most of the sources of information on this issue (especially C. Johnson, the Audit Committee of NATO, the International Network for the abolition of foreign military bases, etc.). Show that Americans (sic) own or occupy between 700 and 800 military bases worldwide).

Designed by Hugh de Andrade and Bob Wing by Map 1 entitled "American Military Troops and Bases around the World," "The Costs of Permanent War" published in 2002 can confirm the presence of U.S. troops in 156 countries, its presence at U.S. bases in 63 countries, newly built bases (after September 11, 2001) in seven countries and a total of 255,065 troops. This presence that translates into a total of 845,441 different plant covers in fact a land area of ​​30 million acres. According to Gelman, based on official data supplied by the Pentagon in 2005, the USA would own 737 bases overseas. With the national territory and their own territories cover a total area of ​​2,202,735 hectares, which would make the Pentagon one of the largest landowners in the world (Gelman, J., 2007). <--- Sorry, Google translation.

Le réseau mondial des bases militaires US
Les fondements de la terreur des peuples ou les maillons d'un filet qui emprisonne l'humanité for more data (in french. Sure some of you can read or translate via Google). By Jules Dufour

[asterisk]

What drugs are you into when believing people wanting military bases in their ground? Since when US had democracy? And since when world put US to global officer position? China is a country doing the same shit US did past years, they just don't have the experience and "manners" to make it look good.

[Minorian]

China is playing it smart. Their economy was about to crumble, they forged some numbers giving temporary balance, then got the US so far in debt to them that they cant fall.

Could be interesting to see a series of factories not bound by US labor laws, could be a crippler to the US economy IMO.

[Seher]

Originally Posted by VandaMan

Yes, they do. Most of these places are not like what you see on the news in the middle east, and they are welcomed by the other country. A military base isn't necessarily there for a hostile reason. Often times they're leftovers from past conflicts, and were there to help the country they're in. Removing them would save the U.S. some money from our bloated defense budget, but we keep them there in the interest of diplomacy because their host nations don't want them removed, due to the economic boost it gives to the local area.

Fun fact about this: Most Germans don't know very much about it. (foreign military? here? what? )

Anyway...

[andres81]

Originally Posted by Seher

Fun fact about this: Most Germans don't know very much about it. (foreign military? here? what? )

Everybody knows it but they don't want to speak about it

[standistortion]

What drugs are you into when believing people wanting military bases in their ground?

Defence is probably the USA's biggest export, -Logan-'s post above is a good example. It's something rarely considered when discussing the US national debit, foreign defence is part of the issue but doesnt get deducted from the total, it gets lost in that hazy area where economics and diplomacy meet.

Its easy to be outraged by the US with the theft of Iraq's natural resources, the 'war on drugs' in Afganistan (check the difference in the annual opium output under taliban rule and now), the tolerance of Israel's actions, the lies, the propaganda etc etc.

But it's also easy to forget how bad things could be for all of us. Here in Ireland our pissant little army couldn't protect us from an invasion of enraged chickens. If Korea decided they want this cold, damp island for its strategic importance there is nothing we could do about it without the assistance of foreign defense.

So there are good and bad reasons for US military presence on foreign soil.

China wants an economic presence on US soil.

China isn't just selling the world 'cheap rubbish'. This propaganda was believed when Japan was rising too, despite the obvious fact that they where using better production techniques, quality control, market analysis etc to sell the world what it wanted at the best price.

China's weak economy gave them a huge advantage on their home soil, that advantage is falling as their economy is rising, it now makes sense for them to take production to the demand. China setting up production zones all over the world is the easy option, if they aren't allowed to do this they will have to continue buying up companies or starting new companies as needed to cover all areas of production and marketing to maximize their profits.

In turn native companies will either keep up or die. Of course they could advance and leave China behind but the trend stays the same and if continued will result in global corporate government.

[m4cgregor]

Originally Posted by VandaMan

Yes, they do. Most of these places are not like what you see on the news in the middle east, and they are welcomed by the other country. A military base isn't necessarily there for a hostile reason. Often times they're leftovers from past conflicts, and were there to help the country they're in. Removing them would save the U.S. some money from our bloated defense budget, but we keep them there in the interest of diplomacy because their host nations don't want them removed, due to the economic boost it gives to the local area.

:O

Turn off FOX News. They don't see like that in the rest of the world.

Militar Bases are for war. They don' help nobody. Maybe some dictator, o some elite in the power, prefers or need to have marines protecting them. But not the people.

USA has been involved in wars the last 50 years. And are the bigger weapon builder and seller.

¿ Can't you see the pattern ?

¿ Why a country must have soldiers in other 156 ?????

Read about Latin America history, and you will see no help.
Just invasions, resource stealing, dictator supports.

Face it. It's not you.

It's the millonaire elite tha's control your country.
The owners of the war, and oil.
The ones who pays the campaings of the two candidates.

But don't lie no more about the rest of the world, wants to have marines in their lands. It's just not true.

Go to irak an ask. Go to guatemala and ask.