Why NOT Java

[daehenob]

Xephandor,

Attribute my replying to this thread out of boredom, really.

Does Java not have an SQLite module-thingy? Maybe this is something you can look into.

I will PM you my Jabber//Yahoo//MSN ID sometime tomorrow (please PM your preference), this sounds like a project I'd like to get my hands dirty with.

[magnet]

Originally Posted by gph

- Too slow, even OCaml perform lots better and have very good native compiler since a very long time.

"Even" OCaml? Considering decent Ocaml programs run faster than their implementation in most languages, it's really not a good comparison. Unless you meant a comparison between bytecode Ocaml & Java programs (?).

More generally, to the topic, my opinion is that Ocaml is for now the most decent usable/modern language. C is beautiful but unsafe and unadapted for anything other than low-level system programming. I'm looking towards Scala for the future. And regarding the current trends and industrial languages, I'd better have Java, even if it's dull to program and the properties of the language suck, than C# or other .NET alternatives. Same shit really, but the former is Free with a capital F and the latter are aimed at evil world domination.

[magnet]

Originally Posted by daehenob

Does Java not have an SQLite module-thingy? Maybe this is something you can look into.

Yes it does.

[_dracus_]

Originally Posted by Xephandor

Maybe slow, but useful if you don't want to re-compile if you're targeting multiple OS'. :P

At the Lab we only write free software, so we don't mind of binary compatibility, we just need the source to compile.

Originally Posted by magnet

More generally, to the topic, my opinion is that Ocaml is for now the most decent usable/modern language.

^_^

Originally Posted by magnet

Same shit really, but the former is Free with a capital F and the latter are aimed at evil world domination.

Ok you got a point on this one.

[Miraculix]

Originally Posted by gph

At the Lab we only write free software, so we don't mind of binary compatibility, we just need the source to compile.

ooooh yeah


bonehead isn't your nick from BOFH? or did he spell dickhead backwards? (in the episode with the ether-killer afaik)

[_dracus_]

Originally Posted by Miraculix

bonehead isn't your nick from BOFH? or did he spell dickhead backwards? (in the episode with the ether-killer afaik)

What name did you say, Miraculix ? >click< >click<

[Comp]

I don't have any issues with Java - I use it when I need to. I'm taking it that most here are students given some of the "text book" responses to why Java is bad. I've been doing professional software engineering for a while now - let me give you a bit of advice.

- Never tie yourself to a language or you'll find yourself antiquated very quickly
- Understand the problem at hand and develop a solution - different problems require different tools. Those who say "I only code in BLAH" will be the ones in the un-employment line.

Remember something about Java - it's not just for GUI it has a very rich and expansive network api which is used in more places than you think.

[Miraculix]

Originally Posted by Solarus

I don't have any issues with Java - I use it when I need to. I'm taking it that most here are students given some of the "text book" responses to why Java is bad. I've been doing professional software engineering for a while now - let me give you a bit of advice.

- Never tie yourself to a language or you'll find yourself antiquated very quickly
- Understand the problem at hand and develop a solution - different problems require different tools. Those who say "I only code in BLAH" will be the ones in the un-employment line.

Remember something about Java - it's not just for GUI it has a very rich and expansive network api which is used in more places than you think.

who said anyone is tying themselves to one language? All I said was 'avoid java whenever you can'

[ArcticWolf]

Originally Posted by magnet

Yes it does.

Let me take a look at this... THANKS!!!!

[asetas]

Originally Posted by Xephandor

Ok, for those of you who don't know, Java isn't a new coffee brand, a car wash or a set of games on your cellphone. It's a programming language (the thing that we use to write programs) which is NOT new at all, but still we hear some flames from time to time.

Programmers and Students of IT and IT-Related careers, tell me why Java isn't good. Tell me why you want to wipe it out of the Earth. Tell me why it drives you insane, is it because of the Object paradigm?

Ok, I understand that knowing just ONE programming language isn't good (in fact, real programmers can learn any new language in a matter of days), but that doesn't make Java so bad...

Is it slow? Well, kind of, but it's good as a data manager frontend, not as a game engine or so. It's meant to be multi-platform and functional, not fast!!!

Sorry... I wanted to make sure that 3 years of java weren't a loss of time on my career...

Haha Don't you know how limited java is after all? 3D making with java is particualry in possible the code line for one object would reach huge numbers because it is hard to handel.
Under folders of java are limited in use as well. Java is good for small range code which doesn'tinclude too much parametred to handel. If you want to see what they have actually done; runescape is your answer it is the best Java based MMORPG but the graphical side is booring because its simple limits.

Other ways java is nice language to learn but I would say C++ and python I prefer those (Python mostly because the linux support)