Sexist Reloaded

[Miriya_PS]

I agree with Mikka but I do not feel offended since I believe there was no offence intended by NGD guys. But I think it should be change, because now they know.

I do not like the new female walking. But I guess we get use to see these kind of things on videogames, so my reaction over the years have changed form outrage to I do not care any more.
I am a woman, and all my characters are female. They all are kind of based on me, even those which I roleplay a lot and have different behaviour and personalities, they are all based on me somehow.
I know nothing about "sexy/heroic proportions" or "better quality and expression" or "enhancing characterization and immersion" so I will just explain this the best I can:
I do not like to see my virtual self walking like that, it does not enhance immersion for me.

IMHO.

[Twinkle1]

Thank you for your speedy reply, however you seem to have mis understood a major part of what i said.

I did not imply Argentina was a sexist country at all, I said some countries are.

I still stand by what i said about the walking for the female character been innappropriate

Regards

[tharla]

Originally Posted by chilko

We just tried to make the walk more feminine, not slutty.
I don't see anything bad about a woman being feminine... do you?
Is that being sexyst? or machist?

I think it's quite reasonable to give women a feminine walk. But the walk is (avoiding words like "slutty") a strut more than it is a walk. A woman needs to try extra hard to walk like that.

[Bully]

Let's see if I can conjure up enough rope to hang myself with. First of all, I am 100% in agreement with any women, or any person for that matter, who feels wronged and speaks out about it. But, I don't think I would have even noticed the new 'walk' if it had not been pointed out to me. Now that I have seen it I can honestly say it looks a little 'Hollywood'. I'm hoping not to sound too perverted when I say I have the sexual appetite of any other normal male, but I don't think it's poosible to make a cartoon character 'sexually desirable' to me. However, if the majority of females feel they are being insulted by this then I have to support them. I don't feel that a change back to the way they were or to something less objectionable to women in general will enhance or regress gameplay in any noticable way.

[Angelwinged_Devil]

I saw the animation today and tried walking beside it, they walk like the same but I don't see the breasts and boobs shaking that much (maybe I should check on an archer or a warrior).

But now I also see from NGDs point of view why it's like that, feminine is good, slutty is not, I guess it's a cultural matter, but if people are getting harrassed because of an animation I think it should be changed, you won't know you need to ignore them before they insult you.

I think it's wrong to call NGD for sexists though before they've given an explanation. If a lot of women walk like that in argentina, did the spanish section of this forum react to this animation?

[theotherhiveking]

Originally Posted by chilko

I think that your comment is quite degrading for us and our culture as Argentineans.

We just tried to make the walk more feminine, not slutty.
I don't see anything bad about a woman being feminine... do you?
Is that being sexyst? or machist?

I have recieved more requests from women asking for their mage female characters to wear shorter tunics with clevage and to make animations more feminine.

I wouldn't say that Argentina is an extremely machist country, we might be more obsessed with the female image though... the truth is that most nice looking women in Argentina walk like that.
As a proof of the important role of women in our society we actually have a Female president (people say she is kinda cute), and she walks like that... do not insult my president!

This is a very subjective matter... but we feel quite proud of the visual improvement this animation represents compared to the one that was in place before.

I am still listening to what people have to say on this matter.

Best regards,

- Chilko

About the animation: I know that ngd wants a cartoon like stile for the game, but if women fell offended maybe its a good option to go for a 'less feminine' walk.

@AwD, iirc boobs dont shake at all in this game (and they never should imho)


-semi-offtopic.

I was wondering... why improve the walking animation for female chars? it's kinda secondary.. i mean that, our chars always hit in the same way.. my char does the same movements to knock someone down that for going berserk.. our warriors use rapiers like kitchen knifes..

It would add a lot more to the 'gameplay' to improve the fighting animations (and add more) than a walking animation.

Why do all my barb hits look exactly the same? why i never swing my hammer (or mace, there are lack of weapon and armor variety in some levels) horizontally?

That would add a lot more to the 'gameplay' than a walking animation, because everybody runs here, theres no point to walk, but we spend 99% of our game time killing things.. mobs.. surak.. players.. ourselves.. mobs.. players.. surak... mobs.. and getting killed.. mobs with sotw.. surak.. players.. valorius.. water.. valorius..

You said that ngd is trying (or going to) improve all the anims in the game.. probably you made this one and not other first to see what the community thinks about it.. (im almost sure..) as you said somewhere and current walking anim (past for females) was way too un detailed to live together with the current one, but then.. why not wait a few days or weeks and let the player choose how she wants to walk?

Let them change it when they want. Are you forcing the players to give their opinions about it so they dont just use the other and do not give any feedback?

It would add a lot more to gameplay to let the player choose when they want to 'flirt' and when not, why i can not 'flirt' only when a certain player or character in near and not always? You know we love to play these stupid (and sometimes fun) little games. Like running around them all the time.

[Pizdzius]

actually theotherhiveking has a good point here

[LenaRosemberg]

I really dislike the new walking. I totally don't walk like that. Please use a casual walking animation, not a top-model-like one. Start with feet on two lines and not just one.

[Miriya_PS]

Originally Posted by Angelwinged_Devil

But now I also see from NGDs point of view why it's like that, feminine is good, slutty is not, I guess it's a cultural matter, but if people are getting harrassed because of an animation I think it should be changed, you won't know you need to ignore them before they insult you.

A little offtopic answer from me here. I do not feel harassed but I must say that some boys in this (and in any) game can not chat without flirting or even writing offensive statements as a joke. Last week there was a thread on the Spanish Inn asking "If you find an enemy girl, would you kill her?", amazingly some people answer that the would not.
If I have 1 Ximerin for every time I read "Are you a real girl?" follow by "do you have a boyfriend?" I would have lots of premium .
I do not care about all this, I am a grown up woman and I know some boys playing this game are teenagers and they mean no harm, they are just in "that age".
These situations are older than this walking feature and they have nothing to do with this new animation, but the animation may encourage this behaviour.

Originally Posted by Angelwinged_Devil

I think it's wrong to call NGD for sexists though before they've given an explanation. If a lot of women walk like that in argentina, did the spanish section of this forum react to this animation?

I do not think there is a sexist behaviour from NGD, I do not like the animation because I feel it is a little overdone. I am Argentinian and I agree that some models/cheap-celebs walks like that, but I do not think they are a good example to follow. Furthermore, I do not think a police woman walking like that inspire respect.
And yes, I think the animation movement is better and more realistic , but I rather to walk like a female warrior than a cute princess.

[Angel_de_Combate]

I think its hot..the end DD Well done NGD