To all the high level grinders

[makarios68]

Originally Posted by Lumi_Alsius

I will grind until 50 regardless of what you want, need or say. And I am always at imp/gate defense when need arises, so your argument is moot.

Good for you. Don't let a person who has 3 lvl 50 chars in his forum signature tell you that you shouldn't lvl your char to 50

[ArchmagusArcana]

Obviously i never said dont grind, and if you would have taken the time to read my posts Lumi, you would have found that is exactly my point; people just dont stop grinding when forts, castles, or the realm gate are in danger. You tend to show up for those things, so i dont see why you felt the need to post what you did, as you as much as provided an example of the right way to do things, thanks. Although both here and in the game, you have a pretty lousy attitude, the same attitude that is bringing alsius further down than it already is; and you wonder why you get ressed/healed after the rest of the army

As for having three level 50s, ive been playing for almost two years, and the time on horus when i play the most is almost always dead, so sadly there is not a lot of war for me to be in, but i never once war stop me from defending my forts, which is the ultimate point of my post. War is more important than grind; when people see that they have 20 people at a fort and have been killing the same 6 for 3 hours, while people grind away, they get bold and get visions of invasion.

[Minxy]

People play games for different reasons.

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Berating people for how they play the game achieves absolutely nothing as it will not make people play the game how you want them to play.

Unfortunately unconstructive criticism of how other people play does add to the already discordant atmosphere that exists in Alsius Horus.

[Klutu]

Well the fact that this is a RvR game and doesnt have anything else really..

all i can say if u dont like war GTFO!

Seriously most new players should want to war and try the game out and i see taking back ur forts and such a break from the long ass grind.

i dont wanna see lvl 50 noobs who havent had any or little wz experience

[makarios68]

The problem is that it sux being in the wz pre-lvl45 because lvl 50's with uber epic items squash u like a bug. It's no fun being killed so quickly so often.

So i can see the attraction of lvling to 45+ in order to fight back more effectively.

[Yawney]

Originally Posted by Addison

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[Freduardo]

Originally Posted by Addison

Unfortunately unconstructive criticism of how other people play does add to the already discordant atmosphere that exists in Alsius Horus.

+1

big time

[platyna]

I always repeat, what makes grinders angry:

This is a war game not grinding game, if you want to bake cookies, play Runescape!

Regards.

[Kyrottimus]

Originally Posted by Addison

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[DemonMonger]

Originally Posted by ArchmagusArcana

If you cannot be bothered to take a break from your grinding and you are 40-45+, just quit, we dont need you here, seriously. This problem is a plague on Alsius/Horus and it brings the whole realm down when its the same 5 or 6 ppl defending a for or trying to take it back adn we are met by a wall of 'im too goddamn busy to help my realm in an RvR game.' Us high levels that are at every single engagement during our play time see people just not caring, and many leave, leaving us at a further disadvantage.

Its a F*UCKING war game FFS, if you dont want to be in war, leave, period. Im sure im going to earn some red karma here and make a lot of enemies here, but seriously, enough if enough, your accounts that you just use to grind take away rlm bonus to those of us that war and have a reason to level a character.

If it were once and a while, a few people every time, ok, fine, sometimes people have a limited amount of time on, or are semi afk, or for whatever reason, are not able to come to war. It happens, but not all the goddamn time. Lately its a wall of chat in alsius chat with the few of us that war begging for help constantly getting flamed and heckled for wanting a little help (it is a team game after all), or people just idly chatting or looking for high level grind parties. WTF, obviously if you are looking for a party, you are free for war.

It seems like every single time, ever, we need help, its the same few ppl there, and when going from place to place, i see the same ppl grinding in the wz (at least they grind in wz)....if you are already there, take 15 mins and help take back whats yours.

Yeah everyone needs to grind, but not when your forts are in enemy hands and they easily have a force capable of invasion, at that time, you man up, grow a pair, and strap on your ass-kicking boots to go fight for your realm.

Yeah, its a game, and people should be able to do what makes them happy, but if you want to grind, STFU and do it silently and dont rag on those of us trying to defend your ability to grind unmolested.

Oh and another thing I HATE the argument "well come defend the gates when they are in danger" by then its usually too late. Spend a half hour taking back a fort or two hours at the gate babysitting....not really a very hard choice.

Sorry for the tone of this, but right now im downright disgusted with my realm, just absolutely disgusted that they cannot muster up the balls to come fight when you are needed.

/end rant

Hey Dude,

I can understand your frustration, as I have always wanted to use some awesome plans since 2006. However, something always happens that I cannot find enough people to help me carry out my goals.

Yes true this is a war game, but people must get to level 50 to be 100% complete. Some just feel that since the enemy will return in 15 mins to take the castle again, that there is no reason to stop earning level points just to waste repairs on a never ending war. We had this problem on Ra years ago when it was a young server, and to this day we have it at times. <shrugs>
We cannot control how others play, only offer advice. I find that a smile will get you more followers than a frown.

True again, many people have limited time, thus they spend it doing something that will help them in their future. (xp grinding for power)

In 2007 some people said they refuse to fight one war until they are level 50. People said this back in the day because fort wars consisted of people waiting 20 mins at a fort for the enemy to come, just to have a stand off of who can terror first. The people who needed xp saw it and still see it as a waste of valuable time.

The problem is not such that people do not help with fort wars, but that there are very few people working in groups to get xp. If more people worked in groups to level up, then more people would come in troves to assist in the fort war.

Again though, I feel you bro.... I was pissed off with all the people who just gave up and sat afk at the save alters. Things get alot tougher when realm chat vanishes (wait and see).

My suggestion to you is this...
1) add the people who feel as you do about wars to friends list
2) form a party before you run off to fight in the war..
3) Maybe start or join a clan that is dedicated to war?
4) Just wait until your server is populated..... things will change