Regarding the phrase "gelfs"

[Arafails]

Originally Posted by Shiriki

Now... that heard as the stereotype that people only think of sex....

Corrected.

BTW, Leviticus 18:22, 20:13, if you're interested in where it is written that homosexuality is a sin. Curiously enough, between those verses it is also written than tattoos are a sin, and that is it a sin to wear wool/linen blends. Also, sustainable agriculture is a sin. And eating fruit off a tree before its fourth year.
In fact, if you read through Leviticus, you might get the impression that you're only just sinning if you sit still, facing a wall, with your eye closed, thinking "praise the Lord" repeatedly, and even then, only on a Saturday. All other times and activities will condemn you.

[Anyriand]

Imagine how ridiculous it would be if someone from alsius made a thread complaining about the fact that we're called goats...
Goats are irrational animals, we could find being compared to them to be offensive in so many ways...

On a second approach:
http://www.sustainabilityninja.com/w...ogle-goats.jpg
...goats are just way too cute for anyone to think like that!!

[Arafails]

Actually it's my considered opinion that goats are highly rational, and largely apathetic. If you piss one off, it's your own fault.

[TehCurt]

i saw a baby goat once......
and once its and my eyes met.....





they have no soul >.>

[WhateverUSMC]

Originally Posted by Arafails

Corrected.

BTW, Leviticus 18:22, 20:13, if you're interested in where it is written that homosexuality is a sin. Curiously enough, between those verses it is also written than tattoos are a sin, and that is it a sin to wear wool/linen blends. Also, sustainable agriculture is a sin. And eating fruit off a tree before its fourth year.
In fact, if you read through Leviticus, you might get the impression that you're only just sinning if you sit still, facing a wall, with your eye closed, thinking "praise the Lord" repeatedly, and even then, only on a Saturday. All other times and activities will condemn you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eD52OlkKfNs

Something that I thought might contribute to what you've laid out here...

[Kyrottimus]

"So long as the Free Will of one is not trampled upon, repressed or made victim by the Free Will of another, then as Free Will it should remain untainted. Live and let live. Consenting, non-victimizing Free Will should direct the course of our lives, not dogma, decrees or edicts." -- Rough Paraphrase from my deceased Grandfather...for which I happen to agree whole-heartedly.

That being said, people have a right to be proud of who they are, and how they live so long as they do not force it upon the unwilling or harm anyone with it. Still, some people don't like having things rubbed in their faces.

But perhaps one extreme causes another. In that regard, I humbly mind my own business and will continue to use the phrase "gelf" because I don't care if people take it as "gay elf" or "green elf" because it doesn't seem to matter what my initial perception was/is (which was green elf). I'm not going to take my time to explain my words to every single person who may take them out of context. It's not worth my time.

If people look hard enough they'll find any sentence or phrase to be insulting to some sub-group or culture.

I haven't the tongue for sensitivity, but I do have the skin for insult; I would hope more people would quit being so easily offended, stand tall and proud of who you are in spite of words and in defiance of ignorance.


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[Gideon_Slack]

Originally Posted by Kyrottimus

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That being said, people have a right to be proud of who they are, and how they live so long as they do not force it upon the unwilling or harm anyone with it. Still, some people don't like having things rubbed in their faces.

But perhaps one extreme causes another. In that regard, I humbly mind my own business and will continue to use the phrase "gelf" because I don't care if people take it as "gay elf" or "green elf"

[...]

You're not following your own self-professed code of conduct. You say people should do what they like, except:

1) "so long as they do not force it upon the unwilling or harm anyone with it."

2) "Still, some people don't like having things rubbed in their faces."

But you are doing exactly that.

1) You are forcing a phrase "gelf" that it has been largely agreed upon has homophobic roots (however it might be perceived now, which is disputed) on all those playing the game with you in your realm.

And you are harming some gay people playing the game, who have to endure other insults in their daily lives. Why should they also be insulted when they log into Regnum?

2) "People don't like having things rubbed in their faces." Yet, you state flat out that you will continue to rub the phrase "gelf" in the faces of those who take it as an insult, and don't want to hear it.

Don't you think you are being a hypocrite?

[Kyrottimus]

Originally Posted by Gideon_Slack

You're not following your own self-professed code of conduct. You say people should do what they like, except:

1) "so long as they do not force it upon the unwilling or harm anyone with it."

2) "Still, some people don't like having things rubbed in their faces."

But you are doing exactly that.

1) You are forcing a phrase "gelf" that it has been largely agreed upon has homophobic roots (however it might be perceived now, which is disputed) on all those playing the game with you in your realm.

And you are harming some gay people playing the game, who have to endure other insults in their daily lives. Why should they also be insulted when they log into Regnum?

2) "People don't like having things rubbed in their faces." Yet, you state flat out that you will continue to rub the phrase "gelf" in the faces of those who take it as an insult, and don't want to hear it.

Don't you think you are being a hypocrite?

No, your logic is fallacious.

1) You are forcing a phrase "gelf" that it has been largely agreed upon has homophobic roots (however it might be perceived now, which is disputed) on all those playing the game with you in your realm.

Agreed upon by whom? I didn't get the memo or petition regarding the solidarity of the RO community regarding this phrase's intent in entirety.

For the record, I don't have a problem with gay people, as they exercise their Free Will to live their lives as they see fit. So long as anyone (gay or straight) does not attempt to corral, contain, censor or repress another for thinking/speaking differently, I have no problem with them.

And you are harming some gay people playing the game, who have to endure other insults in their daily lives. Why should they also be insulted when they log into Regnum?

Are you living in reality? Everyone endures insults in their daily lives. Some more than others. Temperance of one's character reflects this and those of integrity rise above it.

2) "People don't like having things rubbed in their faces." Yet, you state flat out that you will continue to rub the phrase "gelf" in the faces of those who take it as an insult, and don't want to hear it.

Don't you think you are being a hypocrite?

By your logic, if I tuned into a nature program talking about "frogs," the entire French population would thus be insulted.

I'm not forcing anyone how to take my words, I'm simply saying I won't custom-tailor my free will to make everyone happy. To do so would compromise my integrity, as flawed as it (and everyone else's) is. If someone takes it one way, that's their own perception.

I'm not saying something and then saying "This is what I mean, and this is how you have to take it or you ARE WRONG!" or "Your opinion is WRONG for differing from my own!" (which is rubbing some belief in someone's face).

And nothing we say is purely harmless. That line of thought is the epitome of naivete and ignorance. Human nature has proven time and time again that this sort of level of "political correctness" is a pipe-dream. How one perceives words, meaning and intent is entirely up to the one receiving the words.

Unless the one speaking outlines the caveat, forcing his subjective onto others, then it becomes harmful. But respecting the DIFFERENCES in opinion and the ability to exercise those is truly inspiring.

I'm not forcing anything on anyone. I say how I feel, with no intent to harm anyone. Perceptions are purely subjective, and yours obviously rings of personal feelings regarding this matter. I try to remove the emotional element from things before I can fully understand the objectivity of it. It's not easy because so many people are so emotionally connected to so many issues in which they believe strongly.

I'm not rubbing anything in anyone's face. I'm using a phrase which may or may not offend people. I would not try to make anyone else feel guilty for saying something which may offend me even though they were unaware of it (or even if they were). Water off the back of a duck.

So many words have so many alternate, negative connotations, I don't have time or will to apply tact to every word.

I use the term "gelf" or "gelfs"because in game it's far easier to type than "Syrtians" or "Green Elves" or "Wood Elves" or whatever. I also use the term Greens, but that could also aliken them to those of the Green Party, and that connotation may be offensive to them

People speak and people listen. We all have our own views and opinions, and in the words of Voltaire, "I may not agree with what you say, but I shall defend to my death your right to say it."

To try to censor, repress or otherwise contain/control the freedom of speech and expression, in any format, is the tool of a fascist.

[Mrreality13]

lolz whats next some one saying calling goats midgets is wrong? gelfs-midgets- this is a game who really cares

[Kyrottimus]

One more thing, I think more people should grow a backbone and/or a sense of humor.

I had to laugh at this video because it highlights the absurdity of it all. One cannot go to youtube or many other sites without running into so many intentionally hostile comments; but for me it's really just a source of humored pity on their account, not rage or sense of being offended on my own.