animals dying

[DemonMonger]

Originally Posted by Pizdzius

DM, that's just a little bit too much ;]
I was just wondering if it's the physics force we don't know yet or maybe you guys have some answers already, but eh I don't even have time to watch all this ufo thing. Well if WE were to visit another planet, there would be NO sense in killing millions of creatures living there, specially the ones like crabs or fish, or birds :P not to mention intelligent life

I may or may not believe in aliens, that's my business and I won't go around forums telling what I think about disclosures or stuff like that. I don't think UFO has anything to do with it.

and I bet in 2013 everyone will be like "yeah right 2012 doomsday fail, boring year we still don't have jetpacks" like we are now, after people screamed so much about planet X appearing in 2010 and also the Rapture in November last year :P

Also: I can't watch most videos, DM. They're blocked in Poland ;]

just putting out possible answers
and no 2012 is not the end of everything.....
I would never ask you to take my links as true 100% ... I just ask that if you have time watch and consider... the possible options... you can always try hulu.com
or i can download the videos and send them to you

[Kyrottimus]

Originally Posted by Pizdzius

I do agree about some what you said, but the magnetic field change won't really stop protecting us from sun wind and radiation, it will just be very chaotic and bouncy, like it was eons ago.
Birds use their sensors in beaks to migrate, but half of those birds aren't migrating ones, they don't use magnetic field to navigate. And I really do believe the magnetic field is changing constantly, always, but few degrees a year tops.

There is the theory of "dancing poles" where our magnetic field is so chaotic that we have more than 2 poles, (some say upwards of 7+ mingled polarity poles that shift around the planet, with auroras all over and can be seen from the equator to the arctic).

While hard to pinpoint exactly what will happen, if we have gaping holes in our magnetosphere, the consequences will be profound, if only from a technological standpoint (get your faraday cages ready!).

But what if this coincided with a CME from the sun? It could literally cook creatures from the inside out (as seen from the liquified internals of some of the dead birds).

Though the circumstances would have to be right, it would probably not be so wide-spread and I think www.spaceweather.com would have plenty of reports regarding solar activity at this time.

Could it be HAARP? Now that would not surprise me.

EDIT: If the official cause of death is "blunt force trauma" could the birds perhaps have been disoriented to the point of not knowing up from down? And basically crashing into everything because their internal radar in their brain were fried? So a bunch of kamikazee birds and fish (animals which use the magnetic field in conjuction with the inner ear [birds] and bio-sonar [fish]) caused by a sudden but violent shift in our earth's polarity? Or did something else short out their navigation?

It doesn't seem like the birds just "fell dead" from the sky, as most witnesses were saying that the bird were flying INTO things like buildings and cars, and only died once they ran into something at full speed (hence the "death by blunt-force-trauma"). Some were supposedly flying straight down into the earth too.

As for the fish, no clue there but some species of fish are so sensitive to their environments, the slightest shift in any one variables (but occurring rapidly) could be the cause.

[DemonMonger]

Originally Posted by Kyrottimus

There is the theory of "dancing poles" where our magnetic field is so chaotic that we have more than 2 poles, (some say upwards of 7+ mingled polarity poles that shift around the planet, with auroras all over and can be seen from the equator to the arctic).

While hard to pinpoint exactly what will happen, if we have gaping holes in our magnetosphere, the consequences will be profound, if only from a technological standpoint (get your faraday cages ready!).

But what if this coincided with a CME from the sun? It could literally cook creatures from the inside out (as seen from the liquified internals of some of the dead birds).

Though the circumstances would have to be right, it would probably not be so wide-spread and I think www.spaceweather.com would have plenty of reports regarding solar activity at this time.

Could it be HAARP? Now that would not surprise me.

Our earths magnetosphere is getting weaker due to our pole shift, and yes if we get hit with a CME from the sun (which we will) <sighs> ... 2012, (2015) - 2025 good luck

[VandaMan]

Ridiculous theories. It's obviously magic.

[Anyriand]

Originally Posted by Pizdzius

I do agree about some what you said, but the magnetic field change won't really stop protecting us from sun wind and radiation, it will just be very chaotic and bouncy, like it was eons ago.
Birds use their sensors in beaks to migrate, but half of those birds aren't migrating ones, they don't use magnetic field to navigate. And I really do believe the magnetic field is changing constantly, always, but few degrees a year tops.

It takes thousands of years for the earth's magnetic field to fully reverse which supposedly would be enough time for species that do use the magnetic field to navigate to adapt to the changing magnetic environment and develop different ways of navigating.

As far as a weakening magnetic field to be enough to cause extinction, even though there might be people who think both reversals and mass extinction are related, there's no scientific proof to support that theory, and in fact, mass extinction periods in the past don't seem to be related at all with magnetic reversals.
Also, even though a reversal in the earth's magnetic field could theoretically cause some species to die, it would not explain the death of those fish and birds we've seen lately.

There is no time table that would even allow us to know if a reversal is bound to happen in the near future or not, as the reversals in the past seem to have been completely random, some even with a period of time superior to 40M years between them.

[Pizdzius]

Originally Posted by Kyrottimus

There is the theory of "dancing poles" where our magnetic field is so chaotic that we have more than 2 poles, (some say upwards of 7+ mingled polarity poles that shift around the planet, with auroras all over and can be seen from the equator to the arctic).

Yeah I heard about that one too, with one being in Zona de silencio


But what if this coincided with a CME from the sun? It could literally cook creatures from the inside out (as seen from the liquified internals of some of the dead birds).

Hardly possible, because Jupiter protects us from sun as well, without it there'd be hardly any life on Earth.


Could it be HAARP? Now that would not surprise me.

I did think about it making some electric discharges reflecting in the atmosphere and pointing in few places, but then after the world-wide spread of mass deaths, I kinda ruled it out

EDIT: If the official cause of death is "blunt force trauma" could the birds perhaps have been disoriented to the point of not knowing up from down? And basically crashing into everything because their internal radar in their brain were fried? So a bunch of kamikazee birds and fish (animals which use the magnetic field in conjuction with the inner ear [birds] and bio-sonar [fish]) caused by a sudden but violent shift in our earth's polarity? Or did something else short out their navigation?

Most fish from what I know use ocean currents, sun and moon positions for navigations, but the bottom ones, that washed up the shore, could be using magnetic guidance.

It doesn't seem like the birds just "fell dead" from the sky, as most witnesses were saying that the bird were flying INTO things like buildings and cars, and only died once they ran into something at full speed (hence the "death by blunt-force-trauma"). Some were supposedly flying straight down into the earth too.

Yes, most of the birds hit stuff, but some of them just dropped from trees, after hanging on them like bats. That's disturbing and imho doesn't have much to do with any polar shifts :|

And now...

Originally Posted by Anyriand

It takes thousands of years for the earth's magnetic field to fully reverse which supposedly would be enough time for species that do use the magnetic field to navigate to adapt to the changing magnetic environment and develop different ways of navigating.

That's a theory. We don't know how it works. There are more theories which I believe more.

As far as a weakening magnetic field to be enough to cause extinction, even though there might be people who think both reversals and mass extinction are related, there's no scientific proof to support that theory, and in fact, mass extinction periods in the past don't seem to be related at all with magnetic reversals.
Also, even though a reversal in the earth's magnetic field could theoretically cause some species to die, it would not explain the death of those fish and birds we've seen lately.

That's true, that's why I am asking about people's thoughts, I included magnetic field shifts as one of possible causes. It would make an impact on navigation on sea and satellites, and that doesn't seem to happen.

There is no time table that would even allow us to know if a reversal is bound to happen in the near future or not, as the reversals in the past seem to have been completely random, some even with a period of time superior to 40M years between them.

I personally don't think reversal would have much impact on us. I do think there are some laws in physics, some.. emmissions that happen and we can't explain them yet, just like the fact why there's more matter than antimatter, why Saturn's rotations are connected with gas rotations, how black holes store information to make them shut on and off, how wormholes work, everything is basically unexplainable, but Tesla seemed to bite some little bit of the true laws of physics, perhaps some day we will experience more geniuses who will explain everything ;]

[Kyrottimus]

Originally Posted by Pizdzius

...Tesla seemed to bite some little bit of the true laws of physics, perhaps some day we will experience more geniuses who will explain everything ;]

We'll never know exactly how far Nikola Tesla got with his work--immediately after he died his small apartment was looted and all of his notes and documents disappeared.

Though, he was only the greatest genius ever to live (IMO).

As for the current situation, the birds dying on the perch is news to me, that is disturbing indeed.

[Pizdzius]

Originally Posted by Kyrottimus

We'll never know exactly how far Nikola Tesla got with his work--immediately after he died his small apartment was looted and all of his notes and documents disappeared.

Though, he was only the greatest genius ever to live (IMO).

I agree so so so much.

[Kyrottimus]

Yeah, and I think only the U.S.Gov. (and pals) would know exactly what consisted of his whole works of genius as they were the ones who looted the fruits of his mind.

Back on topic, in 1811-1812, a series of huge earthquakes occurred along the New Madrid fault-line in the southern Mississippi river valley. A few days before, similar circumstances (regarding birds dropping dead and fish dying) occurred. The earthquakes were so powerful, they caused the Mississippi river to flow in reverse for awhile.

Perhaps, as the fault-line becomes active, it releases certain gases that indicator species (birds and fish) are extremely sensitive to. The fact that Beebe, AR is not far from the New Madrid faultline should make it a bit more interesting.

Now, since there are more animal die-offs going on worldwide, would this lead you to believe that this theory is wrong or that perhaps it's a world-wide geographical event, perhaps a tectonic rifting earthquake of biblical proportions?

If the fault-line released some kind of energy or gas that caused the mass die-off (as a preliminary indicator of a massive earthquake), that little blip on the radar could be the emission. Then again, it's pure speculation.

As for the magnetic theory, I firmly believe that Climate Shift of our planet has more to do with our Magnetic Field (or lack thereof), Oceanic Salts (and the ocean currents in general) as well as geo-thermic activity than mankind, but mankind certainly is not helping one bit. Our ocean has a direct link to our magnetic field.

[DemonMonger]

Originally Posted by Kyrottimus

Yeah, and I think only the U.S.Gov. (and pals) would know exactly what consisted of his whole works of genius as they were the ones who looted the fruits of his mind.

Back on topic, in 1811-1812, a series of huge earthquakes occurred along the New Madrid fault-line in the southern Mississippi river valley. A few days before, similar circumstances (regarding birds dropping dead and fish dying) occurred. The earthquakes were so powerful, they caused the Mississippi river to flow in reverse for awhile.

Perhaps, as the fault-line becomes active, it releases certain gases that indicator species (birds and fish) are extremely sensitive to. The fact that Beebe, AR is not far from the New Madrid faultline should make it a bit more interesting.

Now, since there are more animal die-offs going on worldwide, would this lead you to believe that this theory is wrong or that perhaps it's a world-wide geographical event, perhaps a tectonic rifting earthquake of biblical proportions?

If the fault-line released some kind of energy or gas that caused the mass die-off (as a preliminary indicator of a massive earthquake), that little blip on the radar could be the emission. Then again, it's pure speculation.

As for the magnetic theory, I firmly believe that Climate Shift of our planet has more to do with our Magnetic Field (or lack thereof), Oceanic Salts (and the ocean currents in general) as well as geo-thermic activity than mankind, but mankind certainly is not helping one bit. Our ocean has a direct link to our magnetic field.

something similar also happened in africa...
there was an earthquake underground near a lake....
a large amount of gas entered the water and it turned blood red...
all the fish died and the frogs came on land.....
then the people that slept near the ground died from the gas as it swept across the land at night.

there is often a way to see and understand things through science.
then again... also there are some things that we still cannot expain.