What do you think of UM?

[Knekelvoeste]

Originally Posted by Gabburtjuh

Why do you play marks then? Marks are WAY more OP, or possibly OP atleast, even without uber gear

OT, UM is good, just the combo of +25% speed, 2x instant knock, roar+howl and 1k+ normals, is abit to strong ;P

Try reaching a lock with lvl 5 slow or a hunter with ensnaring lvl 5 and run away lameness..

[Gabburtjuh]

Sorry, no opinion, I'm a knight, don't take alot of dmg from those, atleast I can tank enough to the next tree if I don't see a chance after 3k hp and 10 mins..

[Zas_]

Originally Posted by HidraA

Personaly as marks i have no issue with UM...moust of time i use stuning fist that its 7 sec and works moust of time anyway barb cast that spell before attacking me so he lose many times 5-6 sec tryng to rich me...stuning fist+ambush 4-5 works great...
If my stuning fist fail he win...its kind fair...he have chances ..i have chances too...

AFAIK, Stunning Fist produces "cannot attack" effect which doesn't apply to a barb under UM effect. This change was introduced in the last balance update.

Back to topic: UM is well balanced, knocks aren't, nor are barbs damages.

[Topogigio_BR]

Originally Posted by Gabburtjuh

Why do you play marks then? Marks are WAY more OP, or possibly OP atleast, even without uber gear

OT, UM is good, just the combo of +25% speed, 2x instant knock, roar+howl and 1k+ normals, is abit to strong ;P

Been playing marks for quite sometime, i didnt play cos is over powered or not, in fact i made my marks right after the nerf to DS.

I played marks if you remeber when in many times i was the only mark on alsius army.

You from the otherside played hunter, if i am not mistaken, you above all should not be comparing me to that guys that only play a class when it is OP.

[HidraA]

Originally Posted by Zas_

AFAIK, Stunning Fist produces "cannot attack" effect which doesn't apply to a barb under UM effect. This change was introduced in the last balance update.

Back to topic: UM is well balanced, knocks aren't, nor are barbs damages.

Indeed...if before a barb was able to make around 600 dmg on marx bufs now can make with easy 1200+ yestarday took a record of 1600 dmg )

Well my HP its 3k ..in two hits i was dead under kick 5...

So kinda agree with you UM its well balance ..knocks nor dmg its not...but wtv ...its at 2354236 thread about barbs/um...etc ...

[gluffs]

I dont see any problems with UM the way it is now. Think its balanced with
current duration, CD and casting.

Originally Posted by Knekelvoeste

Try reaching a lock with lvl 5 slow or a hunter with ensnaring lvl 5 and run away lameness..

Its funny that so many call the slow and run tactic lame. Ok lets do this, show
me another way for a hunter to win against a barb? For me i cant see it. Hunters
have aproximatly 3k-3.5k hp and hit a barb with normals for about 100-150 dmg.
Barbs have about 4k hp and hits for 1k normals and can get off 2-3 hits under a
knockdown. If you show me a way to kill a barb without using slow and run
tactic, i will accept ppl calling it lame.

[Knekelvoeste]

Originally Posted by gluffs

I dont see any problems with UM the way it is now. Think its balanced with
current duration, CD and casting.




Its funny that so many call the slow and run tactic lame. Ok lets do this, show
me another way for a hunter to win against a barb? For me i cant see it. Hunters
have aproximatly 3k-3.5k hp and hit a barb with normals for about 100-150 dmg.
Barbs have about 4k hp and hits for 1k normals and can get off 2-3 hits under a
knockdown. If you show me a way to kill a barb without using slow and run
tactic, i will accept ppl calling it lame.

Well the problem is that there isn't really a good alternative way to kill a barb.
Although when the hunter has a nice opportunity it can use camo+confuse to make the barb unable to buff and try to kill him then. The problem is that i think that the only way for a hunter to kill a barb is quite imbalanced because the barb just can't reach the hunter if it uses the hit n run tactic (Maybe in some lucky situations the barb gets resists and it will reach the hunter but this doesn't happen often).

[_Enio_]

Originally Posted by gluffs

Its funny that so many call the slow and run tactic lame.

Indeed.

Seriously, why should one risk to die when theres a less risky tactic to win (legally).
Why should one face an umd barb and die instead of dodging it smart and make the barb pay for using it too early/too obvious.
Why should a barb keep running on a lock while being slowed with no chance to reach him instead of hugging a tree.

Its always the same, 99% of stuff being called lame could be formulated: its lame that the enemy doesnt just fight me where i am good.

Barbs complain, dodging um is lame
Knightscomplain, dodging ao1 is lame
Hunters, hugging trees is lame
Support Conjs complain, killing them when alone is lame

Same see others
Marks using range lame, barbs using um and their speed, hunters camou and confuse, locks dots.

Lame is something different, for me its abusing bugs, bad implemented stuff (eg run with horses not everyone can afford), or doing something for the 'fun' of him suffering.

There are greyzones what id call bad mannered, but using your legit options is kinda what you try to do and try to get good at in ro.

Whenever my um got dodged forcing me to retreat or change my 'plan' - i actually enjoyed, there was some tiny dynamic.

When i got treehugged on my marks i just thought, nice someone actually using a braincell.

Ro in-fight dynamics are very limited. The most important thing is actually setting up your attack, reading your opponent correctly and adjusting your timing, positioning etc in regards to cooldowns etc etc.

Tl dr: ppl calling that lame just shows they didnt get that part yet thus can be happy, they have enough room towards the skillcap.

[ncvr]

Originally Posted by _Enio_

Wait, are they changing UM to make the caster immune vs slowdowns?

No.

UM is fine.

[ieti]

Evil llama says UM is fine. :P