China wants to build a city in the USA (thanks USA for all your debt) SAY NO!!!

[Torcida]

Originally Posted by m4cgregor

Maybe USA should think about remove all the militar bases that have planted around de world...

Don't you think ?

Oh my god! +100

[andres81]

I personally prefer 10 chinese towns instead of the US bases here...

But my opinion might not be very neutral on this topic as a drunken US soldier from the occupation base here killed my grandpa driving through a small town like crazy. And guess what happened after that? Nothing - you can not demand them, they have their "own law" in other words they can do what they want here, even kill people and nobody can do anything about it - great!

[DemonMonger]

Think about it.

China has grown alot and used up most of it's land space (approx 99.9%).
Now they want to use up land space across the globe to obtain more natural resources and continue to expand.

Consider these things.

What will happen when they want to push the 50mile border to 60 miles.
What will be flown in to those cities?
Some of you complain about the US bases. US bases are not 100% self reliant (first of all). These cities china wants to build are. Thus, the cities will be draining the land and country like leeches and sending all profits back to china. This to me is worse than sending our US business / companies out of the contry.

Reality of the matter.

The USA owes china a buttload of money due to the bailouts.
This is a semi non hostile takeover though.
They could all be mini take over stations, mass polluting zones, nuke spots or more.
This should not happen in Spain, the US, or anywhere.

[Torcida]

Originally Posted by DemonMonger

Think about it.

China has grown alot and used up most of it's land space (approx 99.9%).
Now they want to use up land space across the globe to obtain more natural resources and continue to expand.

Consider these things.

What will happen when they want to push the 50mile border to 60 miles.
What will be flown in to those cities?
Some of you complain about the US bases. US bases are not 100% self reliant (first of all). These cities china wants to build are. Thus, the cities will be draining the land and country like leeches and sending all profits back to china. This to me is worse than sending our US business / companies out of the contry.

Reality of the matter.

The USA owes china a buttload of money due to the bailouts.
This is a semi non hostile takeover though.
They could all be mini take over stations, mass polluting zones, nuke spots or more.
This should not happen in Spain, the US, or anywhere.

Dude China will not build their friggin cities in the USA every self respecting nation wouldn't allow that....

[Torcida]

Originally Posted by m4cgregor

:O



Go to irak an ask. Go to guatemala and ask.

We could become very good friends XD

[tjanex]

Originally Posted by DemonMonger

Think about it.

China has grown alot and used up most of it's land space (approx 99.9%).

I think you should wait a century before they accomplished that.
Now they want to use up land space across the globe to obtain more natural resources and continue to expand.

Consider these things.

Wrong!

What will happen when they want to push the 50mile border to 60 miles.
What will be flown in to those cities?
Some of you complain about the US bases. US bases are not 100% self reliant (first of all). These cities china wants to build are. Thus, the cities will be draining the land and country like leeches and sending all profits back to china. This to me is worse than sending our US business / companies out of the contry.

C'mon man do you really think your gouvernment would let it be this way? And c'mon what the heck do you think of the Chinese... Discrimination on the forums! And now China has a better economic position you gonna whine? :P

Reality of the matter.

The USA owes china a buttload of money due to the bailouts.
This is a semi non hostile takeover though.
They could all be mini take over stations, mass polluting zones, nuke spots or more.
This should not happen in Spain, the US, or anywhere.

PFFF! lol I don't think any of this will happen...

[ieti]

DMC do you know USA used "dirty" bombs in Serbia war? I do not know how that polluted land in Serbia, but that summer i was in vacation to my village(which is 30km from Serbia border) and there was a RED rain. It burned all plants. Nearly all leafs fall down and all vegetables and fruits fell.

I keep no sympathy to USA as country!

I got nothing against people of that country. People are not guilty for sh*t politics and military do.

[Leadoffhitter]

Just some clarification:

Originally Posted by DemonMonger

Some of you complain about the US bases. US bases are not 100% self reliant (first of all).

Some of them are.
And basically they do what they want. In some of them you have laundry shops, pizza hut, little cinemas, sport fields, McDonald's, etc to make more profitable the business. The little money soldiers could spend goes to U.S. anyway. So, some of them are a piece of US in other country soil.


Feel free to avoid reading a more in-depth post from now on if you don't like to read too much on this forum or History posts


In my country (Spain), U.S. bases were accepted to be installed when a dictator was in place (Franco). In 1953, Franco got support from U.S. and then from international organisations on. He died holding all the power at 1975, while people defending democracy got shot or jailed by Dictatorship police and Army (22 years of U.S. support to that system).

In 1966 there was a plane accident with nuclear weapons that tried to be silenced near Almería (South of Spain). During "The Palomares Incident" both administrations tried to silence to population what happened. A B-52 and a KC-135 had a collision and 5 termonuclear weapons B-28 (1,5 megatons, each) fell between land and sea. Two of them stayed intact, one at the sea, another one on the land. Another one fell to mediterranean sea and recovered later in a huge rescue operation (secrets shouldn't be stolen); the other 2 fell near the village of Palomares and spread 20 Kgs of radiactive plutonium around the place.

Those bases were not self reliant. But it was like a colony; almost no contact and forbidden to enter/visit. Neither restaurants, baseball fields, basketball halls, golf fields, etc. It was like teletransporting to U.S. (Went once to Rota around 1990 with special permission and went to the States on 1991) Spain earned almost nothing in economic terms, but dictator got a huge backup and increased military power.

Today just one of them is still active.

Sure it's not easy to read this about your country. I'm not trying to offend/attack anybody. I don't hate U.S. But History deserves to be told too.

We should begin to forget a little about the old way to perceive the words "Country" or "Nation", and forge other meanings. If economists allows us!! (No offense)




Regards



My humble opinion. Sure there must be tons of people with more knowledge and wisdom to present the whole pic. Sure huge load of them pass around this forum too. I know almost nobody shares and nobody cares, but i enjoy these things. Dunno why

[DemonMonger]

Originally Posted by ieti

DMC do you know USA used "dirty" bombs in Serbia war? I do not know how that polluted land in Serbia, but that summer i was in vacation to my village(which is 30km from Serbia border) and there was a RED rain. It burned all plants. Nearly all leafs fall down and all vegetables and fruits fell.

I keep no sympathy to USA as country!

I got nothing against people of that country. People are not guilty for sh*t politics and military do.

I am aware of it.
I do not approve of it.
Just because I live in the USA does not mean I approve of their methods.

I have many friends that have lived through this war... volim te puno.

But back to the issue.

This is beyond insane.

[-Logan-]

Originally Posted by m4cgregor

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Wow, that's pretty ignorant. Do you wear a tinfoil hat to go along with some of those theories

Once again, most of the time (and now more then ever) the USA isn't the one that looks for strategic military positions, other countries ASK them for that because they care about their own security and defense. Look at Libya and what's happening right now, most of the actions you see from the USA are only there because of pressure from NATO, because other countries rely on the USA to do something.

And you're talking as if a US military outpost had the manpower to take over an entire country, which is completely unrealistic. Military bases don't exist only for wars, in many countries they still exist to train local armies, which you're going to say isn't helpful?